Was the last trilogy of star wars bad.
Yes. It was bloody terrible. Still, on a score of 1 to 10 (1 being attrocious) it’s still, quite objectively, somewhere between 3 and 5.
Music was good, special effects were good,
Etc.
It wasn’t a 1.
It’s not Plan 9 from outer space and it’s not The Garbage Pail Kids Movie either.
Yet toxic fans seem to band together and bomb reviewing sites with negativity.
The Solo movie was quite good.
The Reacher TV series was very good.
The Rings of Power (only on episode 3) is very well made, entertaining and captivating.
Yet, groups of these hard core fans are constantly giving impressively negative reviews. To the absurdity of anyone who’s not a hard-core fan. And they seem very angry about it all too.
My obvious go-to is that they’re ugly, smelly incel-esque beings who don’t get laid at all. And that’s what’s making them so sour.
But is there more to it?
Anyone got any opinions on the matter?
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Two sides to every coin.
What's wrong with having an opinion?
I haven't seen any of the shows or movies you listed but I did see a few clips of the Jack Reacher TV series and it looked good.
It probably gets bad reviews by tiny beta males who can't get laid who think it's fashionable to hate the big strong white man.
The inclusion and diversity crap ruined star wars.
Let's make a female hero they said. Ok. Sounds good.
Let's put her in a mixed relationship with an ugly black guy too! No thanks. Pushing the envelope for progressive ideas and to appease a minority always ruins great series. (This storyline was later rejected by Disney but everyone knew they were planning it)
Another example is Football (Soccer)
In Europe it's almost considered a religion but in North America it is considered a complete waste of time. No hitting, No fighting, Practically no scoring and it has a ridiculous way to keep track of the time.
Is it so hard to stop the clock when play stops? Jesus.
Why not have a shoot out when they tie?
People having an opinion about something is not the problem. The real problem is when people get all mad and butthurt when someone expresses an opinion that doesn't match theirs.
We live in a world where too many people think everyone else should think like them.
@shavixmir
Or maybe don't buy an IP, piss all over the lore and have your entire marketing campaign being gaslighting and insulting the fans when they say that the lore matters to them.
Solo was a bad movie and a really bad Star Wars movie (though nowhere near as bad as the Last Jedi).
I liked The Reacher TV series too, though, I wouldn't give it more than a 7.5/10.
The Rings of Power should have removed the Lord of the Rings from it's name and nobody would have cared. Then it would have been a 5/10 show so far. Now it's a 2/10.
@lundos saidSo, I take it you go on internet review bombing Father of the Bride II as well?
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Or maybe don't buy an IP, piss all over the lore and have your entire marketing campaign being gaslighting and insulting the fans when they say that the lore matters to them.
Solo was a bad movie and a really bad Star Wars movie (though nowhere near as bad as the Last Jedi).
I liked The Reacher TV series too, though, I wouldn't give it more than a 7.5/10.
T ...[text shortened]... it's name and nobody would have cared. Then it would have been a 5/10 show so far. Now it's a 2/10.
@shavixmir saidI'm not review bombing anything. Neither am I giving anything 10/10 (check how many 10/10s reviews the so-called review bombed shows have). However, I do understand why fans react to being called all sorts of weird stuff from access media because they voice their opinion.
So, I take it you go on internet review bombing Father of the Bride II as well?
Imagine liking something for 40 years. Then Amazon/Disney/WB etc buys the IP - generally because of the in-built fandom/audience and therefore supposedly easy profit. However, the producers completely changes everything about it while saying the source material is problematic. And when you ask why they bought it in the first place if they didn't like how it was, then you are insulted and gaslighted. People tend to get enough and it's been happening for years and years.
The worst part is that Hollywood and their media morons will probably hand the next couple of elections to the Republicans because Hollywood turns every single fandom against "liberal" America.
@lundos saidIf you're referring to Rings of Power the material is drawn from Tolkien's own works and his Estate had considerably veto power over the show, the idea of which they had shopped
I'm not review bombing anything. Neither am I giving anything 10/10 (check how many 10/10s reviews the so-called review bombed shows have). However, I do understand why fans react to being called all sorts of weird stuff from access media because they voice their opinion.
Imagine liking something for 40 years. Then Amazon/Disney/WB etc buys the IP - generally because of th ...[text shortened]... elections to the Republicans because Hollywood turns every single fandom against "liberal" America.
"The showrunners said that ""We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the Appendices, and The Hobbit, and that is it. We do not have the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth, or any of those other books.”
"In July 2017, a lawsuit was settled between Warner Brothers, the company behind the Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit films, and the Tolkien Estate. With the two sides "on better terms" following the settlement, they began shopping a potential television series based on Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings books to several outlets, including Amazon, Netflix, and HBO."
" Executive Jennifer Salke described creative discussions with the Tolkien Estate (particularly Simon) as a "partnership" and that they are "really thoughtful and smart."[12] The Estate had met with prospective writers and showrunners,[20] for whom they had approval rights."
https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Rings_of_Power
Some "Fandom" seem most offended because there are People of Color actually cast in the series, not because the show "changes everything" about the source material.
@no1marauder saidA lot of the hatred towards the last star wars trilogy, especially the second installment, had a whiff of racism about it too.
If you're referring to Rings of Power the material is drawn from Tolkien's own works and his Estate had considerably veto power over the show, the idea of which they had shopped
"The showrunners said that ""We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the Appendices, and The Hobbit, and that is it. We do not have th ...[text shortened]... or actually cast in the series, not because the show "changes everything" about the source material.
Not that I’m defending that trilogy, but its problems were not strong female leads or a black fukking stormtrooper.
@shavixmir saidIt seems to miss the mark on some issues. I wonder if the author has actually spent time on fan fora?
https://reelrundown.com/misc/5-Factors-that-Can-Cause-Toxic-Fandom-to-Arise
A good summary of toxic fandom.
And it actually tries to explain the mechanics. Many of which you see on this forum as well.
Very interesting.
Besides this thing with Hollywood isn't fans vs fans, but Hollywood and access media vs nerdy and mostly older fandoms. Hollywood has changed/ruined/destroyed/failed to adapt Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who, The Terminator, The Wheel of Time, Halo, etc. over the last ~10 years all while we've seen a continuous stream of articles about inclusiveness and diversity before the shows was released and about racism and misogyny after the shows were released and failed. It doesn't even matter what has been actually said by fans, what you can read in the most liked posts on YouTube or Instagram. Are there bad people on the internet? Yes. You see that within all entertainment industry areas and sports. Should people in general behave better? Yes. Are all fans racist because some are? No. And lumping them all into the same box will increase the backlash. That's why it's increased to this level for the Rings of Power.
Why does Rings of Power have such a backlash and the new Game of Thrones doesn't? Could it be more than just possessiveness or entitlement or whatever reasons a random person writes in a opinion piece?
@lundos saidNo. You think they failed to adapt it properly.
It seems to miss the mark on some issues. I wonder if the author has actually spent time on fan fora?
Besides this thing with Hollywood isn't fans vs fans, but Hollywood and access media vs nerdy and mostly older fandoms. Hollywood has changed/ruined/destroyed/failed to adapt Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who, The Terminator, The Wheel of Time, Halo, etc. over the last ~10 yea ...[text shortened]... an just possessiveness or entitlement or whatever reasons a random person writes in a opinion piece?
Lots more people actually love it.
@shavixmir saidYeah, that's why all the shows are cancelled after the minimum season contracts run out. Why Disney is having issues selling new merchandise or getting people to go to their theme parks. Why the BBC are losing license payers by the hundreds of thousands. Why Netflix has lost more than a million subs in 2022. Why the CW network is bankrupt. Why Marvel movies see less and less revenue (Spiderman is Sony). Why media access companies like Kotaku and Buzzfeed are going bankrupt. Why Amazon had to change both their own and IMDB review policies. Because people love it so much.
No. You think they failed to adapt it properly.
Lots more people actually love it.
Why do you think the upcoming Disney film the Little Mermaid will fail? Pay attention to all the marketing. Not just the gaslighting articles insulting fans.
@shavixmir saidI watched Star Wars (episode 4) at 17 and was enthralled. It was a good yarn, a swash-buckling romance plot with WW2 dogfights thrown in for good measure. That was it. To be honest a lot of the criticisms that are aimed at the last trilogy kind of applied to the first. Slimmest of plots, with the slenderest of characterizations driven by tropes, cliches and stereotypes. And a macguffin. The last trilogy is driven by a wafer thin plot fleshed out by brilliant action sequences designed to wow, with macguffins that follow the tropes set up by the first trilogy. And who wanted to watch it and put bums on seats? Kids!
A lot of the hatred towards the last star wars trilogy, especially the second installment, had a whiff of racism about it too.
Not that I’m defending that trilogy, but its problems were not strong female leads or a black fukking stormtrooper.
In the same way that The Bourne Series influenced how Daniel Craig's James Bond got made, episodes 7,8 and 9 of Star wars owes much to the influence of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The OG fanboy that thinks a billion dollar movie could be truly groundbreaking and original and that the studio would risk a sure fire bet by making a movie for the 1% of fans who still live in basements and inhabit internet forums, is to put it mildly, mistaken. The originals were made for kids. How do people forget that the originals were made for pre-pubescant kids and were seen as nothing more than space westerns where the bad guys wear black?
It seems that when things make a lot of money people have to dig in deep to explain the phenomena. The way they delved into Lucas' inspiration for Star Wars you would think its success was somehow preordained. I think the vitriol aimed at the final trilogy is a lot like when parents raised on jazz started complaining that their kids rock and roll music was rubbish and way too loud. Reviewers that hate the last trilogy can't deal with the fact that the movie was not made for them and that they are just too old to appreciate it. Sad!
@kmax87 saidYou might have point here in an off-beat way. Maybe some things are created for new audiences. But why - then - are all the marketing articles about the "people too old to appreciate it" and not all the new people who love it? If it's so loved, then it would show in turnover or viewer numbers. Instead it's racism this and misogyny that and nothing about the lack of viewership from the intended new audience. And nothing about the often times very crappy products that are being released.
It seems that when things make a lot of money people have to dig in deep to explain the phenomena. The way they delved into Lucas' inspiration for Star Wars you would think its success was somehow preordained. I think the vitriol aimed at the final trilogy is a lot like when parents raised on jazz started complaining that their kids rock and roll music was rubbish and way too ...[text shortened]... the fact that the movie was not made for them and that they are just too old to appreciate it. Sad!
Don't buy an IP just to destroy the lore. It's disrespectful to the original creator, it's disrespectful to the fans - especially when the entire marketing campaign is insulting old fans, and it's bad business practice.
@lundos saidThinks you.
You might have point here in an off-beat way. Maybe some things are created for new audiences. But why - then - are all the marketing articles about the "people too old to appreciate it" and not all the new people who love it? If it's so loved, then it would show in turnover or viewer numbers. Instead it's racism this and misogyny that and nothing about the lack of viewership ...[text shortened]... especially when the entire marketing campaign is insulting old fans, and it's bad business practice.
Your opinion. Not a fact.