Of course they're right-wing nuts.
Of course they've swallowed the "deep state" conspiracy theory.
Of course they wanted to hook up with Putin.
Of course they have connections with Germany's far-right "Alternative for Germany" party, and count among their members former AfG MPs.
Sound familiar, 'Murica?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/07/germany-coup-arrests-reichsbuerger-heinrich/
BERLIN — German authorities on Wednesday arrested 25 people suspected of plotting to use armed force to storm parliament and violently overthrow the state, marking one of the country’s largest ever raids targeting right-wing extremists.
Those arrested included a 71-year-old German aristocrat and a former lawmaker from the right-wing Alternative for Germany party, according to the public prosecutor and officials.
The majority are accused of being part of a “terrorist organization” and are all German nationals, according to the prosecutor’s statement. The remaining three — including a Russian national — were detained on suspicion of being supporters.
In addition to the arrests, police searched the properties of a further 27 individuals who are being investigated on an “initial suspicion” of being a member or having supported the organization, the statement said. More than 3,000 police officers were involved in the raids, which took place in 11 of Germany’s 16 states.
The accused subscribe to a variety of conspiracy theories, including QAnon, but draw most heavily from the Reichsbürger movement, which denies the existence of the modern German state, officials said. But officials warned it would be naive to dismiss them as cranks.
“Of course, there are many busybodies who tell confused stories after drinking alcohol,” Justice Minister Marco Buschmann tweeted. “Here, however, there were such strong suspicions that the group wanted to take violent action.”
That included plans to use arms to storm the Reichstag, Germany’s parliament building, he said.
The details of the suspected plot triggered comparisons to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. German politicians raised it as a reminder of what can happen when anti-constitutional plans are allowed to manifest.
“At the latest since January 6, 2021, we have known that anti-democratic speech can also be followed by actions directed against democracy and parliament,” said Greens party lawmaker Konstantin von Notz. “Today, the German security authorities have succeeded in putting a stop to such plans to seize power.”
The group is united in a belief that Germany is run by a “deep state,” the prosecutor said, adding that members had been prepared to use violence — including the murder of state representatives — to carry out their aim of replacing the existing order in Germany with their own form of government. They had planned out the structure of the state apparatus they hoped to install, including departments of health, justice and foreign affairs.
Prosecutors said Heinrich XIII, Prince of Reuss, 71, a descendant of a royal dynasty from the German state of Thuringia, was head of the group’s central “council.” Footage broadcast on German media showed the prince, dressed in a green tweed jacket, being led out of his Frankfurt apartment in handcuffs.
@Soothfast
Same psychological profile as those who believe Trump won in 2020: disgruntled people who mass-consume fake news and blame immigrants for whatever they feel is wrong with the country.
@moonbus
You're right about the disgruntled profiling but Germany has seen a doubling of crime since they brought in a lot of immigrants so you can't deny the Germans have a right to be fed up and fed up about many other things too.
Crazy idiots no doubt. Did they think taking a building would give them power over the country?
More of this will probably happen.
Just noticed you live in Switzerland? Wikipedia says, as of 2009 less than 1 percent were African or Middle Eastern Muslims. The other groups were Caucasian so I don't think you have any idea about countries with a lot of immigrant problems.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-01-03/germany-must-come-to-terms-with-refugee-crime
The uproar started shortly after 2015 so this 2018 article is relevant and the numbers have only increased since then.
@booger saidWhere do you get your facts? The crime rate in Germany has actually been declining over the last 6 years.
@moonbus
You're right about the disgruntled profiling but Germany has seen a doubling of crime since they brought in a lot of immigrants so you can't deny the Germans have a right to be fed up and fed up about many other things too.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040013/crime-rate-in-germany/
@Soothfast
Declining from record highs due to immigration.
Declining from record highs doesn't mean good.
My wife comes home and says "look this was on sale!"
That's her reasoning for buying expensive junk. It was still expensive even with the sale but "it was on sale!"
You remind me of the guys bragging about gas going down twenty cents from record highs too.
Not only immigration but Germany is fed up with helping the Ukraine and they want the pipeline opened up again.
So this idiot group of "right wingers" is more about Germany being fed up and not about whatever ridiculous idea the group believes in.
More to come in Europe.
A financial times article.
https://www.ft.com/content/fedc259f-bf96-4a22-b032-bc181d4dd51d
@booger saidYour own reasoning is less than impressive. Crime has been dropping in Germany for 6 years, and you say Germans are "fed up" with crime having "doubled" due to "immigration."
@Soothfast
Declining from record highs due to immigration.
Declining from record highs doesn't mean good.
My wife comes home and says "look this was on sale!"
That's her reasoning for buying expensive junk. It was still expensive even with the sale but "it was on sale!"
You remind me of the guys bragging about gas going down twenty cents from record highs too.
At no point in the graph at the link I provided is there anything close to a doubling of the crime rate, and it goes back to 2000. The biggest "jump is about 7.6% from 2010 to 2015.
So either dig up some hard facts from a reputable source or go pound sand.
@booger saidAhhh… here comes the boot from under the long coat…
Immigrants shouldn't be commiting any crimes.
They get instant welfare from the government and housing.
They don't have any right to ruin it for the people who have to put up with them and pay for them with taxes.
The coup attempt is about more than just immigration.
You don’t like immigrants. And you secretly support the coup attemempt. By right-wing retarded dumn-arses.
Revealed your colours are.
@booger saidYou are right. On the same note: citiznes should commit crimes either. We could do away with a lot of police, justice system and prisons, saving lots of money. Plus we get less traumatized people.
Immigrants shouldn't be commiting any crimes.
They get instant welfare from the government and housing.
They don't have any right to ruin it for the people who have to put up with them and pay for them with taxes.
The coup attempt is about more than just immigration.
So we don't they just stop?
O and if all would be the due taxes, tax rates could be reduced and again people just should not commit crimes (tax fraud).
@booger saidThere are lots of princes, the head of Haus Hohenzollern might be not amuse, he is supposed to bethe next emperor (if there was one and the rules of succesion in place before 11th of November 1918 would be enforced)
Apparently some Prince was involved?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/heinrich-xiii-prince-suspected-plotting-be-german-kaiser-coup-2022-12-07/
@booger saidFrom the Swiss federal office of statistics portal:
@moonbus
You're right about the disgruntled profiling but Germany has seen a doubling of crime since they brought in a lot of immigrants so you can't deny the Germans have a right to be fed up and fed up about many other things too.
Crazy idiots no doubt. Did they think taking a building would give them power over the country?
More of this will probably happen.
Just ...[text shortened]... shortly after 2015 so this 2018 article is relevant and the numbers have only increased since then.
https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/population/migration-integration/by-migration-status.html
“In 2021, 39% of the permanent resident population has a migration background.”