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  1. Subscriberno1marauder
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    15 Jul '17 15:072 edits
    Was a bit of a fracas on this Forum last summer about this case, but a Brazilian appeals case has dismissed all charges against Ryan Lochte:

    According to USA Today, the court concluded that Lochte, who eventually admitted he “over-exaggerated” the story and apologized for his “immature behavior,” did not break Brazilian law. The three-judge panel, in a 2-1 ruling, noted that Rio police, not Lochte, had initiated the investigation and that the story he first told NBC did not meet the standard of a false report.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/07/14/ryan-lochte-cleared-of-false-report-charge-after-incident-at-rio-olympics/?utm_term=.b0ad3aa3a766

    Hate to say "I told ya so" but I cited experts in Brazilian law last year who said this was a likely outcome. Of course, prosecutors could still appeal.

    EDIT: Last year's thread is at: https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/ryan-lochte-an-olympic-tale-of-gold-medals-and-white-privilege-article.169870

    EDIT2: Actually, I luvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv to say "I told ya so".😏
  2. Cape Town
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    15 Jul '17 17:01
    Seems obvious to me that someone making up stuff on Facebook (or other social media) about adventures in another country isn't really breaking too many laws. I don't know why he was charged in the first place. Much better to just publish a rude statement about his dishonesty and leave it at that.
  3. Cape Town
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    15 Jul '17 17:05
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    EDIT2: Actually, I luvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv to say "I told ya so".😏
    Given that the lower court ruled the other way, and even the current ruling was 2-1, it wasn't as clear cut as you are making out, and you just lucked out. It seems silly to me that any judge thought it worth their time.
  4. Subscriberno1marauder
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    15 Jul '17 18:08
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Given that the lower court ruled the other way, and even the current ruling was 2-1, it wasn't as clear cut as you are making out, and you just lucked out. It seems silly to me that any judge thought it worth their time.
    Too bad the Brazilian prosecutors didn't have access to my four leaf clover and rabbit's foot.
  5. Zugzwang
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    15 Jul '17 19:03
    Originally posted by twhitehead to No1Marauder
    Given that the lower court ruled the other way, and even the current ruling was 2-1,
    it wasn't as clear cut as you are making out, and you just lucked out.
    It seems silly to me that any judge thought it worth their time.
    The disingenuous American lawyer No1Marauder apparently believes that 'stooge judges'
    (his recent pejorative term of choice in the Charlie Gard case) thrive in Europe but not Brazil.
  6. Subscriberno1marauder
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    15 Jul '17 19:42
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    The disingenuous American lawyer No1Marauder apparently believes that 'stooge judges'
    (his recent pejorative term of choice in the Charlie Gard case) thrive in Europe but not Brazil.
    Well, here they ruled against government officials (and they haven't said it was okay to kill any kids).
  7. Zugzwang
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    15 Jul '17 20:212 edits
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Well, here they ruled against government officials (and they haven't said it was okay to kill any kids).
    Here's one Brazilian's critical view of the state of 'democracy and the rule of law' in Brazil:
    https://www.quora.com/Is-Brazil-a-democracy

    https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2016#table

    In the 2016 Corruption Perceptions Index, the UK's tied with Germany and Luxembourg for 10th-12th place.
    Brazil's tied with Belarus, China, and India for 79th-82nd place.

    My point is that 'stooge judges' (to quote No1Marauder) seem to be more beholden
    to the government in Brazil than in the UK.
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