21 Apr 10
Originally posted by sh76Except that he has, he just had an Op-Ed in the new york times, in February for instance. Just because you close your eyes and ears doesn't make the problem go away.
Yeah; I've noticed Al Gore hasn't been talking much lately. The decrease in hot air from that alone was probably enough to do the trick.
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21 Apr 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotIt's too early to see what this year's trend is. The ten year trend does not look good and the graph compares against some of the warmest years we've had in modern record.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
But then again, I expect most people to be statistically and scientifically inept.
22 Apr 10
Originally posted by Badwateryeah, especially when they can't be bothered to compare 2007 (the nadir) vs. 2008 and 2009 (the two most recent full years' data).
It's too early to see what this year's trend is. The ten year trend does not look good and the graph compares against some of the warmest years we've had in modern record.
But then again, I expect most people to be statistically and scientifically inept.
22 Apr 10
Originally posted by joneschrDisclaimer: Although I'm not close to certain, I do think that AGW probably is real and probably is a problem that's worth dealing with.
By the way, what happened to the conservative position that global warming does exist - it just isn't created by humans? Just because we had a cool year (in the US only mind you) we're going to back off on that position?
But, to play Devil's advocate for a moment:
Those 2 positions (global warming is real, but not anthropogenic; and the warming has stopped) are entirely consistent with each other. The entire line would go:
- Yes, there is a warming trend over the last 30 years and maybe even a general warming trend over the last 200
- But that's because there are natural cycles in global temperatures. Now we're in a bit of a warming cycle; but even within the cycle, there have been smaller eras of cooling and warming.
- The fact that the trend has leveled off recently; either in the last 12 years or the last 2 or 3, depending on your frame of reference, while CO2 emissions have increased, is an indication that CO2 emissions are not very strongly correlated to global warming and that the cooling and warming are natural cycles.
22 Apr 10
if it wasn't caused by an increase in carbon dioxide, then it is a waste of billions of dollars to try to fix it by limiting humans' CO2 output.
there are many, many people who would be happy to spend that money, paying only lip service to AGW. how are they different than mafia without the violence?