24 Mar 05
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/481278%3fformat=html
The Terri Schiavo case has divided America and now has the attention of the world. Should the Florida woman be allowed to live or die?
Now Terri's family have made a shocking allegation against Michael Schiavo.
Speaking to Susan Wood on the Close Up programme Terri's sister Suzanne Schindler said that Michael tried to kill Terri and wants her dead to protect his secret.
Schindler says Michael keeps Terri locked away in a room, doesn't allow her to go outside and only allows a limited number of visitors.
"What we've been trying to do is to get Terri some help and some rehabilitation and to get her away from the husband who continues to abuse her.
"We believe he did something to cause Terri's collapse back in 1990 and he stopped all rehabilitation and any type of therapy at all for Terri 'cause he doesn't want her to get any better, because then we would know exactly what happened to Terri the night she collapsed and he would probably be in jail," Suzanne told Close Up.
She says there is evidence that has surfaced recently to suggest Michael did something to Terri the night she collapsed.
Suzanne says she doesn't know what Michael may have done.
"Whatever it did it cut the oxygen off to her brain and she collapsed and had a cardiac arrest," Suzanne says.
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/481278%3fformat=html
24 Mar 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeI don't know about that. She did just "collapse" with a broken back and a hundred contusions and a broken femur.
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/481278%3fformat=html
The Terri Schiavo case has divided America and now has the attention of the world. Should the Florida woman be allowed to live or die?
Now Terri's family have made a shocking allegation against Michael Schiavo.
Speaking to Susan Wood on the Close Up programme Terri's sister Suzanne ...[text shortened]... iac arrest," Suzanne says.
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/481278%3fformat=html
That was one hell of a self inflicted "collapse" with no stairs involved.
24 Mar 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeIvanhoe, ask yourself these questions:
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/481278%3fformat=html
The Terri Schiavo case has divided America and now has the attention of the world. Should the Florida woman be allowed to live or die?
Now Terri's family have made a shocking allegation against Michael Schiavo.
Speaking to Susan Wood on the Close Up programme Terri's sister Suzanne ...[text shortened]... iac arrest," Suzanne says.
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/481278%3fformat=html
When was this allegation first reported?
What 'evidence' exists for such a claim?
Why would Michael have studied for years to become a nurse
to try to save his wife if she had this big mysterious secret?
What does Suzanne have to gain from such a claim?
----
You are a gossipmonger.
Nemesio
24 Mar 05
Originally posted by NemesioNemo,
Ivanhoe, ask yourself these questions:
When was this allegation first reported?
What 'evidence' exists for such a claim?
Why would Michael have studied for years to become a nurse
to try to save his wife if she had this big mysterious secret?
What does Suzanne have to gain from such a claim?
----
You are a gossipmonger.
Nemesio
The ambulance arrived in response to a report that a woman had "collpapsed" and was not responding.
She had a broken back, hundreds of bruises and a broken femur.
Where is your thinking on this? Let me guess. You have invested into the winning chimp platoon. You don't want to think about facts?
24 Mar 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWySVW, you are a bald-faced liar. Instead of feeding Ivanhoe's
Nemo,
The ambulance arrived in response to a report that a woman had "collpapsed" and was not responding.
She had a broken back, hundreds of bruises and a broken femur.
Where is your thinking on this? Let me guess. You have invested into the winning chimp platoon. You don't want to think about facts?
histrionics for your own amusement, read and learn:
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html
Question: I've heard Michael beat or strangled her nearly to death and that he wants her to die to cover up his abuse. What really happened?
I do not know this family and will not comment on whether any abuse occurred. I can, however, look to the case's history and point out some items that might be relevant to anyone considering this issue.
First, "Terri's Law" required the chief judge of the local circuit court to appoint a guardian ad litem (GAL) to examine Terri's case and advise the Governor. The chief judge appointed Dr. Jay Wolfson from the University of South Florida. Dr. Wolfson's December 2003 report to Governor Bush included this bit of factual history:
The cause of the cardiac arrest was adduced to a dramatically reduced potassium level in Theresa's body. Sodium and potassium maintain a vital, chemical balance in the human body that helps define the electrolyte levels. The cause of the imbalance was not clearly identified, but may be linked, in theory, to her drinking 10-15 glasses of iced tea each day. While no formal proof emerged, the medical records note that the combination of [Theresa's] aggressive weight loss, diet control and excessive hydration raised questions about Theresa from Bulimia, an eating disorder, more common among women than men, in which purging through vomiting, laxatives and other methods of diet control become obsessive.
Also relevant to questions about the cause of Terri's collapse is the lawsuit that Michael brought on Terri's behalf against Terri's doctors. The premise of that early 1990s lawsuit was that the doctors committed malpractice by failing to diagnose Terri's bulimia and that her bulimia led to her cardiac arrest. The case was tried to a jury, which ruled in Michael's favor, finding that Terri had bulimia, that her bulimia caused her cardiac arrest, and that the doctors were negligent in failing to diagnose the situation. The verdict was appealed, and before the appellate court could rule, the parties settled, with Michael recovering approximately $750,000 for Terri and $300,000 for himself.
After this case gained national attention in 2003, Gary Fox, the lawyer who represented Terri and Michael in that suit, wrote a stirring column concerning Terri's bulimia and how the tragic effects of that disease have been lost in the hoopla surrounding this case. The St. Pete Times still has that column online, and you can read it here.
The significance of the medical malpractice lawsuit can be seen in a few ways. A jury agreed that bulimia caused Terri's collapse. The defendants were her doctors -- one might think that they, of all people, would have been able to show that Terri had been beaten or strangled if that was what had occurred. Also, to believe that Michael caused Terri's collapse by beating her is to believe that Michael initiated a lawsuit against someone else for causing her collapse, opening the whole matter to serious inquiry and greatly increasing the risk that someone would discover his role.
Finally, I am not aware that anyone -- not the paramedics, doctors, nurses, family members, friends, or anyone else -- who saw Terri in the hours, weeks, and months after her collapse ever suggested at the time that Terri had been beaten or strangled.
As I said above, I am not commenting on whether any abuse actually occurred. I don't know.
Question: But isn't there a bone scan that shows Terri was beaten?
I honestly don't know. What I understand is that a bone scan was taken in 1991 and that the doctor who read it saw on it evidence of past trauma at various places on Terri's body. Some consider that evidence of a severe beating by her husband, others consider it evidence consistent with bulimia, a fall, and CPR by paramedics. Whether trauma really happened, or what kind, or when, are all unclear.
The bone scan was not raised in the original trial regarding Terri's wishes. The issue was raised by the Schindlers in a November 2002 emergency motion. Judge Greer rejected the matter as being irrelevant to the issue of Terri's wishes. See the order linked in the timeline above.
24 Mar 05
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Originally posted by Nemesio[/i]You are such a powerful chimp. Anything to win.
SVW, you are a bald-faced liar. Instead of feeding Ivanhoe's
histrionics for your own amusement, read and learn:
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html
[i]Question: I've heard Michael beat or strangled her nearly to deat ...[text shortened]... ue of Terri's wishes. See the order linked in the timeline above.
The bone scan only revealed a broken back and a broken leg.
That was one hell of a self inflicted "collapse".
I know. Do you ever wonder why I call you nemotoad?
It is because you take a position as religion and refuse forever after to examine simple facts.
The fact that stupid and/or lazy investigators really blew it... does that make it right that he did an OJ?
Why are you so wrapped up in this? Hell. The facts are just there.
I sure could care less about being "right". The facts dictate reality.
except for you.
Ok. Now go ahead with your anti svw rant. I and everyone else are used to it.
They are even starting to understand what a nemotoad is.
24 Mar 05
Originally posted by Nemesio
Ivanhoe, ask yourself these questions:
When was this allegation first reported?
What 'evidence' exists for such a claim?
Why would Michael have studied for years to become a nurse
to try to save his wife if she had this big mysterious secret?
What does Suzanne have to gain from such a claim?
----
You are a gossipmonger.
Nemesio
Kill the messenger, Nemesio ..... kill'm .....
24 Mar 05
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If any of you folk are actually interested in the actual deposition of the actual doctor who took the bone scan, you can find the full text here:
http://www.hospicepatients.org/dr-walker-t-schiavo-bone-scan-deposition.txt
Draw your own conclusions, but at least pay attention to the evidence.
24 Mar 05
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Originally posted by Nemesio
SVW, you are a bald-faced liar. Instead of feeding Ivanhoe's
histrionics for your own amusement, read and learn:
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html
[i]Question: I've heard Michael beat or strangled her nearly to deat ...[text shortened]... ue of Terri's wishes. See the order linked in the timeline above.
It seems Judge Greer has a lot of explaining to do.
Can a judge be impeached in the States ?
24 Mar 05
Originally posted by bbarrHow you up to Ben?
If any of you folk are actually interested in the actual deposition of the actual doctor who took the bone scan, you can find the full text here:
http://www.hospicepatients.org/dr-walker-t-schiavo-bone-scan-deposition.txt
Draw your own conclusions, but at least pay attention to the evidence.
I thank you for that. It pretty well lays out the things that I picked up on the cuff.
It is always better to be shown right than to be shown a chimp.
" Q Is it possible that the abnormalities
2 that you noted on the right femoral diaphysis and
3 metaphysis could have occurred if the patient was
4 standing and suffered a cardiac arrest and fell to
5 the floor?
6 A Probably not. That wouldn't be a typical
7 mechanism of injury that would cause a periosteal
8 bruise. Typically you need a direct blow of some
9 kind. I suppose one could speculate that she fell
10 on a piece of furniture, that that could produce
11 that injury. But just typically falling on the
12 floor would not do that.
"
24 Mar 05
Originally posted by XanthosNZThat is the "cry wolf" syndrome. We have it in the form of the "national inquirer"
Susanne Wood is well known in NZ as a sensationalist and her show lacks any real journalistic integrity. You may want to find a better source.
But. Isn't it true that a busy body no nothing has a good chance of telling the truth on occasion?
Statistical analysis will show that to be so. Bennet will fill in the court stuff. SVW will always just tell you that a person born of a woman is a human and we have no right to judge a damaged kid. She belongs to her mother.
24 Mar 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyIf I read it all well, there were signs of a closed head-injury, a broken back (!?) and broken ribs. I don't recall the broken leg though.
[/i]You are such a powerful chimp. Anything to win.
The bone scan only revealed a broken back and a broken leg.
That was one hell of a self inflicted "collapse".
I know. Do you ever wonder why I call you nemotoad?
It is because you take a position as religion and refuse forever after to examine simple facts.
The fact that stupid and/or ...[text shortened]... I and everyone else are used to it.
They are even starting to understand what a nemotoad is.