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a paradox.. my parents met in the war now if i went back in time shot hitler 1938, chances are they would never have met, but i would save millions, but not be born?? would you if you were in that spot would you shoot hiltler.
Originally posted by stokerNo, because you can't predict the consequences of actions, and it's a paradox.
a paradox.. my parents met in the war now if i went back in time shot hitler 1938, chances are they would never have met, but i would save millions, but not be born?? would you if you were in that spot would you shoot hiltler.
Originally posted by KunsooPrecisely, apart from the fact that history alteration looks very much to be impossible (thankfully)
There were plenty of people to take Hitler's place. I think Germany would have been at war with other European countries with or without Hitler. The whole country had a sense of entitlement which made the conflict inevitable. But Hitler's particular ideology and individual abilities probably added to the death count.
In any case, to answer the question, eservation is in play for me here, but I would opt for the history which arrived organically.
Originally posted by googlefudgeYeah, and look what happened when Dr. McCoy saved the church woman!
Precisely, apart from the fact that history alteration looks very much to be impossible (thankfully)
As it is impossible to predict the consequences of alterations to history, it is always better to
attempt to make the future batter from where we currently stand, than try to make the present
better from the past.
Case in point.
The titanic disa ...[text shortened]... ve lost, Hitler made some big mistakes, maybe whoever replaced him might not have made them...
Originally posted by googlefudgeNo they are not, history offers all but invariable tampered with, they offer much more than mere hindsight but rarely taken to the degrees necessary..it's all politics, merely hidden in all manner of untruths and hidden agendas, only for future leaders to take one step further..at their leisure. Then a further step and then perhaps a new technology takes over and it falls a step behind, you can never 'adequately' assume that history is one big lesson because we've basically been there and done it...refer to my first point in hand.
History is to be learned from, not altered, this is why accurate and unbiased history lessons are important.
EDIT: If WWII took a different route, if it happened later, or took longer, it's possible that it could have gone nuclear in Europe,
or that Germany might have got the bomb first.
We could have lost, Hitler made some big mistakes, maybe whoever replaced him might not have made them...
Originally posted by stokerFace it, you owe Hitler your existence!!
a paradox.. my parents met in the war now if i went back in time shot hitler 1938, chances are they would never have met, but i would save millions, but not be born?? would you if you were in that spot would you shoot hiltler.
Originally posted by RevRSleekerI am sorry but having read and reread this several times I have no idea what you are saying.
No they are not, history offers all but invariable tampered with, they offer much more than mere hindsight but rarely taken to the degrees necessary..it's all politics, merely hidden in all manner of untruths and hidden agendas, only for future leaders to take one step further..at their leisure. Then a further step and then perhaps a new technology takes ...[text shortened]... he shipping vessel would indicate how confident they were of yet another 'V' weapon...
Originally posted by googlefudgeI think the crux is, that 'official History' and that that actually takes place, have been political pawns since the birth of the civilised nation...I thought that was clear, perhaps not.
I am sorry but having read and reread this several times I have no idea what you are saying.
Could you please clarify what you mean.
Originally posted by RevRSleekerhistory is written by the victors, so if they make the loser look bad that becomes the official line. but what seems to happen the victors become a down fall of there own making and then when they are defeated etc
I think the crux is, that 'official History' and that that actually takes place, have been political pawns since the birth of the civilised nation...I thought that was clear, perhaps not.
Originally posted by RevRSleekerAh, and my point was that accurately reflecting history, and learning what actually happened
I think the crux is, that 'official History' and that that actually takes place, have been political pawns since the birth of the civilised nation...I thought that was clear, perhaps not.
Originally posted by stokerI wouldn't shoot Hitler if handed a time machine and a gun, even assuming it were possible. We cannot know if Hitler's rise was really the worst thing that could have happened at the time. An alternate future may see a thermonuclear holocaust occurring in the 1960s, say, or a Europe overrun by Stalin.
a paradox.. my parents met in the war now if i went back in time shot hitler 1938, chances are they would never have met, but i would save millions, but not be born?? would you if you were in that spot would you shoot hiltler.
Originally posted by googlefudgeAt the link below, John Reilly reviews Gavriel Rosenfeld's The World Hitler Never Made, an analysis of the various hypothetical alternative histories (allohistories) of Word War II.
Precisely, apart from the fact that history alteration looks very much to be impossible (thankfully)
As it is impossible to predict the consequences of alterations to history, it is always better to
attempt to make the future batter from where we currently stand, than try to make the present
better from the past.
Case in point.
The titanic disa ve lost, Hitler made some big mistakes, maybe whoever replaced him might not have made them...
Originally posted by TeinosukeVery good, have you read Cyril Kornbluth's novella 'Two Dooms' ?
At the link below, John Reilly reviews Gavriel Rosenfeld's The World Hitler Never Made, an analysis of the various hypothetical alternative histories (allohistories) of Word War II.
http://www.johnreilly.info/whnm.htm
"The book covers four classes of hypotheticals: Hitler wins; Hitler loses but escapes; Hitler is deleted from history; and hypothetica ...[text shortened]... st as well that history can't be altered and we don't need to make those choices.