07 Nov 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeYes, it would show a jesture of goodwill and perhabs lead to peace. Besides, according to the UN, he wants to be burried in what was supposed to be the Palestinian side of Jerusalem. He wanted to be burried in Jerusalem because he hoped peace would be reached before his death.
... to be burried in Jerusalem ?
What's your opinion and why ?
07 Nov 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeThis argument reveals a misunderstanding about what it means to be human. Robert Pirsig tells a story about a Catholic church whose building was purchased and converted into a bar. There was an outcry, but the priest asked to explain was irritated; the building had been de-consecrated and was no longer a church. Those who were annoyed were merely indicating a lack of religious understanding; they were allowing the fact that the bar was shaped like a church to confuse them. Similarly, if he has died, then the body is not Mr. Arafat. The patterns of nervous impulses, or the soul, that made that body Mr. Arafat no longer exist, so it is not important what happens with the body, and those who make an issue of it are merely misunderstanding what it is to be human.
... to be burried in Jerusalem ?
What's your opinion and why ?
07 Nov 04
Originally posted by royalchicken
This argument reveals a misunderstanding about what it means to be human. Robert Pirsig tells a story about a Catholic church whose building was purchased and converted into a bar. There was an outcry, but the priest asked to explain was irritated; the building had been de-consecrated and was no longer a church. Those who were annoyed were merely ind ...[text shortened]... the body, and those who make an issue of it are merely misunderstanding what it is to be human.
You should become a politician RC .... 😛
07 Nov 04
Originally posted by royalchickenI think in this case assuming the rationality of all concerned is a bad idea. Given a more realistic appraisal of how people might react, is it a good idea to allow Arafat's supporters to insist on his burial in Jerusalem?
This argument reveals a misunderstanding about what it means to be human. Robert Pirsig tells a story about a Catholic church whose building was purchased and converted into a bar. There was an outcry, but the priest asked to explain was irritated; the building had been de-consecrated and was no longer a church. Those who were annoyed were merely ind ...[text shortened]... the body, and those who make an issue of it are merely misunderstanding what it is to be human.
07 Nov 04
Originally posted by AcolyteIn that case, I suppose whatever the prevailing law in Jerusalem about burial is should dictate where he is buried. I can't understand why Israelis would react negatively to Arafat's burial in Jerusalem. Certainly he had a part in somem violence, but compared to someone like Ariel Sharon (Google his past if you dare 😕), Arafat seems to have been motivated by a strong desire for peace, or at least mutual ignoring.
I think in this case assuming the rationality of all concerned is a bad idea. Given a more realistic appraisal of how people might react, is it a good idea to allow Arafat's supporters to insist on his burial in Jerusalem?
07 Nov 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeOne couldn't care less ...
... to be burried in Jerusalem ?
What's your opinion and why ?
There are people (children) dying every day cause they've got feck all to eat and politician discuss where Arafat should/could be burried ...
Just burn him, job done, and focus on real problems in this world
Regards
Boris
07 Nov 04
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There is an interesting paradox here.
If the Palestinians were to ask Israel for permission to burry Arafat in East Jerusalem they would implicitely acknowledge Israel's authority over East Jerusalem ..... therefore I don't think they would be inclined to officially ask permission or even to raise the question.
07 Nov 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeIvanhoe, I had posted a clarification, but it contained the word ''bullshit'' in the following context: ''The bullshit content of my post was exactly zero.'' I was not intending to attack anyone, and my main point was that the physical corpse hasn't any religious or secular significane and that this is a non-issue. However, the moderators removed my post for the totally inoffensive use of said word; c'est la merde du taureau.
You should become a politician RC .... 😛
07 Nov 04
Originally posted by royalchickenDang, Mark, you are starting to sound like a theologian. The whole issue over his burial is a metaphor for the problem they (both sides ) have. The land does not belong to us. We are merely stewards of it. And in this particular case, very poor stewards.
This argument reveals a misunderstanding about what it means to be human. Robert Pirsig tells a story about a Catholic church whose building was purchased and converted into a bar. There was an outcry, but the priest asked to explain was irritated; the building had been de-consecrated and was no longer a church. Those who were annoyed were merely ind ...[text shortened]... the body, and those who make an issue of it are merely misunderstanding what it is to be human.
07 Nov 04
Originally posted by royalchicken
Ivanhoe, I had posted a clarification, but it contained the word ''bullshit'' in the following context: ''The bullshit content of my post was exactly zero.'' I was not intending to attack anyone, and my main point was that the physical corpse hasn't any religious or secular significane and that this is a non-issue. However, the moderators removed my post for the totally inoffensive use of said word; c'est la merde du taureau.
... maybe you should switch from bulls to horses to collect their excrements ... 😛
08 Nov 04
"He [Arafat] wanted to be burried in Jerusalem because he hoped peace would be reached before his death."
Oh Mateulose, my heart bleeds lumpy custard for the man. Why do you use the passive "hoped peace would be achieved"? Surely he's had a pretty active role in the matter. I think he should be buried next to Saddam, when he dies...that way they can hug/kiss once more (like during the first gulf war).
Also, someone mentioned that he thought you could be buried anywhere, Try bury your granny in your front yard and see what the local council says about it.
Forget about Jerusalem. I have a suggestion: As a form of final ceremony, I think they should put Arafat in his wheelchair and push him off the end of a ship...like the PLO did to that crippled Jew during the Achille Lauro hijacking 🙂