Yeah. I think it's time for something totally different. Normally I wouldn't depress you with theories of conspiracies grand and mental, but I heard a discussion and it was so convincing it forced me to open a beer.
The discussion was between an interviewer, a normal decent man with a 1970's haircut. The sort of man you can trust, yet would feel uncomfortable leaving with your children for any amount of time and the usual conspiracy theorist: wild hair and eyes that look like he's being hunted down by the CIA or high on crack cocaine.
I will refer to them as 'sugar daddy' and 'nut'.
SD (that's short of sugar daddy) was taunting the nut ever so slightly, making mockery of the man's beliefs, when the nut countered with his arguments. It went something like this:
SD: Oh come off it. You can't be serious.
Nut: Oh but I am. Say you take the strongest telescope you can imagine and look at the moon.
SD: I don't own a telescope. *insert witty glance at audience*
Nut: But you do know that telescopes exist, don't you.
Okay, I made this bit up, it's stolen out of Pulp Fiction, but it was too good to let up on.
SD: We've seen film footage of man landing on the moon.
Nut: Yes. And what do we see on the footage.
The footage is shown.
SD: Man landing on the moon.
Nut: We see the flag waving in the wind.
Reshowing of footage of the flag waving about on the moon, as it stands on its pole.
SD: Well...
Nut: There's no wind on the moon. The flag can't wave about.
SD: Well, I see it waving about.
Nut: Yes. So do we all. What is your conclusion?
SD: That there is wind on the moon.
A great many rolling of eyes later, the Nut drags out his next argument:
Nut: Take the strongest telescope you can and look at the moon. There is no flag there. No landing gear. Nothing but craters.
SD: They landed on the other side of the moon.
Nut: No they didn't. They landed on this side of the moon, for the other side is dark and cold.
SD: There is no dark side of the moon!
Nut: Don't quote Pink Floyd on me...there is. And they didn't land there.
SD: Maybe they took the flag back with them. To save costs.
Nut: Sure. But they sure as hell didn't take the landing gear back with them.
SD: ah.
Me: Uh?
You?
I heard that the movement of the flag was the result of the residual aftereffects of screwing the pole into the ground. No friction to slow it down.
Anyhow, how would you simulate all that distance jumping under low-G conditions? Wouldn't arcs of the same length (and possibly curvature) be impossible to replicate on Earth under high-G conditions? Unless, they filled those suits with helium...
Aiden
Originally posted by shavixmirNo. They most certainly didn't. I have personally climbed the back of the great turtle and seen for myself. It is about time that we see the world and the heavens for what they are. Thanks for bringing up this wonderfully intelligent conversation Rat. I look forward to your discussion of our giant flat earth and the conspiracy brought on by Galileo and his ilk. I agree with you. We need to put and end to this nonsense that we actually live on a ball! Nobody can explain to you and I why those on the underside don't fall off!
Yeah. I think it's time for something totally different. Normally I wouldn't depress you with theories of conspiracies grand and mental, but I heard a discussion and it was so convincing it forced me to open a beer.
The discussion was between an interviewer, a normal decent man with a 1970's haircut. The sort of man you can trust, yet would feel unc ...[text shortened]... sure as hell didn't take the landing gear back with them.
SD: ah.
Me: Uh?
You?
Keep up the good work. And I hope this sheds light on your firm belief in Communism. It is just great that you defend such noble and wonderful truths as the flat earth and Communism.
I'm sure that an aluminum rod vibrating and simple gravity have nothing to do with a flag waving. And it is obvious that having spent twenty billion dollars on a scam that the americans were too damn dumb to reshoot that scene. They didn't want to waste a hundred dollars worth of film! Silly them. We caught them!
Originally posted by StarValleyWyIs this sarcasm?
No. They most certainly didn't. I have personally climbed the back of the great turtle and seen for myself. It is about time that we see the world and the heavens for what they are. Thanks for bringing up this wonderfully intelligent ...[text shortened]... ste a hundred dollars worth of film! Silly them. We caught them!
But, pray tell me, what do flat-earthers and communism have in common?
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Actually, don't answer that. I take it you don't believe in this grand conspiracy theory then?
That's okay. I don't really either, but it is an interesting point that you can't see the landing gear. No matter how hard or magnified you look!
Originally posted by shavixmirNot being able to see the landers is a function of focal length resolution. We need about a two fold increase on the keck and other giant scopes to "resolve" a four meter object at 250,000 miles. Interestingly, we only need about a ten fold increase over our current capabilities to see earth sized planets around other stars within about a hundred light years.
Is this sarcasm?
But, pray tell me, what do flat-earthers and communism have in common?
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Actually, don't answer that. I take it you don't believe in this grand conspiracy theory then?
That's okay. I don't really either, but it is an interesting point that you can't see the landing gear. No matter how hard or magnified you look!
Flat landers and Communists have everything in common. They both fail to see that simple answers very seldom provide the entire truth. Communism is simplistic to the point of being naive.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyWe'll stick to the debate at hand though. Thank you for contributing.
Not being able to see the landers is a function of focal length resolution. We need about a two fold increase on the keck and other giant scopes to "resolve" a four meter object at 250,000 miles. Interestingly, we only need about a ten fold increase over our current capabilities to see earth sized planets around other stars within about a hundred ligh ...[text shortened]... ers very seldom provide the entire truth. Communism is simplistic to the point of being naive.