Please turn on javascript in your browser to play chess.
Debates Forum

Debates Forum

  1. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    01 Oct '10 08:52 / 1 edit
    What a UN pannel had to say about Israel's commandos action in the flotilla raid?
    http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/A.HRC.15.21_en.pdf

    Or what the Israeli commandos did to a recent crew of Jewish activists that tried to break the Gaza blockade?

    You haven't?! That is shocking I must say...

    http://gazafreedommarch.org/cms/en/News/View/10-09-28/Jewish_Gaza-bound_activists_IDF_used_excessive_force_in_naval_raid.aspx

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/30/3026388.htm?section=justin
    Israeli troops intercepted the boat on Tuesday (local time). They maintain they did so peacefully and there was no violence of any sort on board.

    For 24 hours there was no-one to challenge the claim. The 10 passengers were arrested and taken in for questioning.

    But now, after their release from custody, some passengers have told a different story.

    "The soldiers were very brutal to us. They didn't kill us like they killed other Palestinians and Muslims, but they were very brutal," Yonatan Shapira, an Israeli who was aboard the Irene said.

    "And later, now we're released, they blame us, they accuse us of attacking the soldiers and threatening the soldiers. It's a complete lie."

    Another activist on board, 82-year-old Israeli Holocaust survivor Reuven Moskowitz, has challenged Israel's policies.

    "We are talking about 1.5 million people, 800,000 children," he said.

    "When I was a child I was imprisoned for five years and I can't forget it. I cannot sleep at night. I have nightmares that have haunted me all my life.

    "Do you know what we are doing to these people and what we are doing to our own soldiers?"

    Yigal Palmor, foreign ministry spokesman, defends the interception.

    "The boat was warned not to breach the international blockade. It was boarded by the Israeli navy. There was no violence and no incident whatsoever," he said.


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-holds-gaza-blockade-britons-2092814.html
    Israeli authorities boarded a British yacht, took down its flag and "almost strip searched" its crew as they attempted to break the blockade to Gaza, a Briton on board said today.

    Vish Vishvanath was one of nine people travelling on the British-flagged catamaran Irene when it was intercepted.

    The freelance photo-journalist from Twickenham, south west London, said the vessel had been "hijacked" in international waters and surrounded by about eight boats whose crew trained machine guns on them.

    The armed Israeli authorities who came on board took down the boat's British flag, he said, "which is something you're not supposed to do".


    http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/224
    Murder is murder, and terror is terror, you might think. But when terror is committed against an American citizen by the state of Israel the response from the US government is not protest, and it is surely not to demand justice, much less seek vengeance. It is silence.

    In 1985, when terrorists from the Palestine Liberation Front, in an act of piracy on the high seas in the Mediterranean, took control of the Achille Lauro, an Italian cruise ship, and executed the Jewish American Leon Klinghoffer, shooting him in the forehead and then pushing the wheelchair-bound 69-year-old overboard, the US responded with dramatic action. To rescue the passengers, Italian negotiators had worked out a deal granting safe passage to Tunisia to the pirates, in return for the freeing of the ship and its other passengers. But President Ronald Reagan dispatched a US fighter plane to intercept the plane carrying the PLF pirates to safety, and forced it to land at a US airbase in Italy, where they were turned over to Italian authorities for prosecution.

    Compare this to another more recent act of piracy, the violent assault and high-seas boarding of the Turkish cruise ship Mavi Marmara and a flotilla of smaller ships bound from Turkey to Gaza by troops from the Israeli Defense Force, who commandeered the vessels, killing eight Turkish and one young Turkish-American passenger. The US failed to condemn this latter act of piracy, and as for the American who was slain, 19-year old Furkan Dogan, there was not a word of protest.

    Worse yet, we learn only now that in July, two months after the May 31 IDF attack, the Turkish government supplied the Obama Administration with the result of the Turkish Council of Forensic Medicine’s autopsy of young Dogan, which showed clearly that he had been murdered by two shots to the face fired by Israeli commandos at point blank range while he lay, gravely injured, on the deck of the ship.

    A fact-finding mission of the Office of United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) says it has concluded that Dogan, for example, was not resisting the boarding, but rather, was filming it, using a small hand-held video camera from his position on the boat’s top deck.

    Turkish medical examiners concluded that five others of the nine killed, in addition to Dogan, were slain execution-style by IDF troops in the assault on the Mavi Marmara.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/23/un-panel-israel-war-crimes
    A United Nations panel of human rights experts has accused Israel of war crimes through willful killing, unnecessary brutality and torture in its "clearly unlawful" assault on a ship attempting to break the blockade of Gaza in May in which nine Turkish activists died.

    "A series of violations of international law, including international humanitarian and human rights law, were committed by the Israeli forces during the interception of the flotilla and during the detention of passengers in Israel prior to deportation."

    "The conduct of the Israeli military and other personnel toward the flotilla passengers was not only disproportionate to the occasion but demonstrated levels of totally unnecessary and incredible violence. It betrayed an unacceptable level of brutality," the report said.


    http://palestinevideo.blogspot.com/2010/09/dn-un-probe-recommends-prosecution-of.html
  2. 01 Oct '10 18:15
    Stang is back!
  3. 01 Oct '10 18:56
    If these were valid claims the we would have people shouting from the roof tops.

    Activists need to accept that when they are breaking the law...they risk themselves....sometimes their lives. No need to cry for these people......they knew the risk and died doing what they loved. More power to them...in some peoples eyes they are heros.....what better legacy could they have hoped for?