Social Security and health care

Social Security and health care

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What bothers me the most about government health care is the same thing that bothers me about Social Security. Government plunders Social Security with impunity and the government has NO obligation to pay you of it when you retire. It's all really at the whim of bureaucrats.

Looking at government run health care for veterans, if you are really sick and expensive to treat, you get on special lists to ignore.

If those in government will do this to the brave veterans that are the most deserving of health care, where does that leave all of us?

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the government has NO obligation to pay you of it when you retire. It's all really at the whim of bureaucrats.

That's almost true, but not quite. Just remember these "bureaucrats" were placed in their present jobs by our votes, and can be removed by our votes. In addition, there are legal safeguards in place to prevent the bureaucrats from becoming too underhanded in the way they operate.

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Originally posted by bill718
the government has NO obligation to pay you of it when you retire. It's all really at the whim of bureaucrats.

That's almost true, but not quite. Just remember these "bureaucrats" were placed in their present jobs by our votes, and can be removed by our votes. In addition, there are legal safeguards in place to prevent the bureaucrats from becoming too underhanded in the way they operate.
We hope that there are now safeguards in place. 😏

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Originally posted by bill718
the government has NO obligation to pay you of it when you retire. It's all really at the whim of bureaucrats.

That's almost true, but not quite. Just remember these "bureaucrats" were placed in their present jobs by our votes, and can be removed by our votes. In addition, there are legal safeguards in place to prevent the bureaucrats from becoming too underhanded in the way they operate.
Congress has only had an approval rating of about 10% every year for decades.

Voters have no power bill.

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Originally posted by whodey
Congress has only had an approval rating of about 10% every year for decades.

Voters have no power bill.
People disapprove of congress in general but approve of their congressperson.

Why?

Speculation: It's the way congress distributes power within itself. Throwing out your congressperson, especially if you elect a political neophyte, means their replacement has no powerful committee membership or leadership position, and has no favors owing or due.

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That's almost true, but not quite. Just remember these "bureaucrats" were placed in their present jobs by our votes, and can be removed by our votes. In addition, there are legal safeguards in place to prevent the bureaucrats from becoming too underhanded in the way they operate

Yep, in the same way Muslim immigrants are being vetted. You know, like the kind that shot up San Bernardino.

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Originally posted by JS357
People disapprove of congress in general but approve of their congressperson.

Why?

Speculation: It's the way congress distributes power within itself. Throwing out your congressperson, especially if you elect a political neophyte, means their replacement has no powerful committee membership or leadership position, and has no favors owing or due.
More like if you vote for the other person you re-elect the same problem just under a different name.

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Originally posted by JS357
People disapprove of congress in general but approve of their congressperson.

Why?

Speculation: It's the way congress distributes power within itself. Throwing out your congressperson, especially if you elect a political neophyte, means their replacement has no powerful committee membership or leadership position, and has no favors owing or due.
The Federal government obtained power over the pocket book via the Federal Income tax at the turn of the 20th century. That is what set things askew.

The problem is, at best you have the ability to vote for or against 2 of those Congressmen, and that is all. This was not meant to be.

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Originally posted by whodey
The Federal government obtained power over the pocket book via the Federal Income tax at the turn of the 20th century. That is what set things askew.

The problem is, at best you have the ability to vote for or against 2 of those Congressmen, and that is all. This was not meant to be.
It is not an easy task to change the minds of 434 other congressmen. 😏

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Originally posted by whodey
What bothers me the most about government health care is the same thing that bothers me about Social Security. Government plunders Social Security with impunity and the government has NO obligation to pay you of it when you retire. It's all really at the whim of bureaucrats.

Looking at government run health care for veterans, if you are really sick and e ...[text shortened]... the brave veterans that are the most deserving of health care, where does that leave all of us?
You want to know the really funny part that the rest of the world laughs at? Because you and others like you are so bothered by what the government might do with your healthcare you instead entrust it to insurance companies and other private parties who then charge you 10 times as much for a poorer service.
Seriously, insurance salesmen don't bother you? You don't get out much.

Oh, and while we are on the topic the last time there was massive 'plundering' it was done by Wall Street.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
It is not an easy task to change the minds of 434 other congressmen. 😏
Congress was never meant to have that kind of power over the country, but that all changed once they obtained all the money

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Originally posted by twhitehead
You want to know the really funny part that the rest of the world laughs at? Because you and others like you are so bothered by what the government might do with your healthcare you instead entrust it to insurance companies and other private parties who then charge you 10 times as much for a poorer service.
Seriously, insurance salesmen don't bother you? ...[text shortened]... ile we are on the topic the last time there was massive 'plundering' it was done by Wall Street.
Corruption is everywhere. It is then good to have an authority to turn to with the hope of seeing some justice. That used to be the role of the Federal government.

Now that they run things there is no one to turn to.