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  1. Zugzwang
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    04 Jun '19 05:18
    @shavixmir said
    Oh, I don’t know about these stats.

    I’m sure there’s a large portion of men who don’t rape, because they don’t want to hurt anyone (physically or psychologically).

    To suggest only the threat of punishment deters them is rather cynical.

    I reckon a majority of men don’t fantasize about rape (or watch staged rape porn).
    I’m pretty certain most men would prefer a woma ...[text shortened]...
    But then again, I’m nearly 50 and the closest I come to watching porn these days is the Daily Show.
    Shavixmir shows poor or biased reading comprehension.

    I did NOT write that ALL men are deterred ONLY by fear of punishment.
    I wrote that many men are.

    If rape were legal, does Shavixmir claim that only a few men would rape?
  2. Zugzwang
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    04 Jun '19 05:221 edit
    @philokalia said
    Would this not be the case because of their broken & backwards culture?

    Surely, nowhere near 40% of men from Brainerd, Minnesota or Sapporo, Japan have done anything like that.

    But here is a great resource full of lots of citations on the brutality and deviance of primitive life:

    https://psychohistory.com/books/the-origins-of-war-in-child-abuse/chapter-7-child-a ...[text shortened]... a fraction of it is true... well, hard to not believe that our culture has been a great advancement.
    In South Africa, white Christian men also have a reputation for sexual violence.

    Will Philokalia dare tell his Korean "friends' that Japanese men rarely rape?
    In fact, Japanese soldiers were notorious for raping Korean women.
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    04 Jun '19 05:24
    @Duchess64

    Does my 33 to 50 percent number look about right to you? Maybe a bit on the low side?
  4. Zugzwang
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    04 Jun '19 05:40
    @eladar said
    @Duchess64

    Does my 33 to 50 percent number look about right to you? Maybe a bit on the low side?
    Why is the lying troll Eladar asking what words to put in my mouth?
  5. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    04 Jun '19 06:23
    @duchess64 said
    In South Africa, white Christian men also have a reputation for sexual violence.

    Will Philokalia dare tell his Korean "friends' that Japanese men rarely rape?
    In fact, Japanese soldiers were notorious for raping Korean women.
    It would be absurd to suggest that 20-40% of men in Sapporo, Japan have done this. I'd gladly talk about it.

    If someone were to bring up the dying men in nursing homes that were around during WWII who may have been involved in that, well, then, that would potentially be a difficult discussion, wouldn't it?

    So would discussing the Korean 청룡부대 in Vietnam. But that would be an interesting context.

    Of course, such a conversation could only be had with people who can appreciate nuance -- fortunately, this is not as hard to find in Korea as it is in the West.

    Would Duchess be surprised to hear that Koreans appreciate the human condition with more depth than Westerners these days?
  6. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    I also have to admit... I am unaware of the reputations of different groups in South Africa.

    Is it the white, Christian men who have been committing all these farm murders and terrorizing SoWeTo?
  7. Zugzwang
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    04 Jun '19 09:321 edit
    @philokalia said
    It would be absurd to suggest that 20-40% of men in Sapporo, Japan have done this. I'd gladly talk about it.

    If someone were to bring up the dying men in nursing homes that were around during WWII who may have been involved in that, well, then, that would potentially be a difficult discussion, wouldn't it?

    So would discussing the Korean 청룡부대 in Vietnam. But that w ...[text shortened]... ised to hear that Koreans appreciate the human condition with more depth than Westerners these days?
    Philokalia seems to be an apologist for Japanese war crimes, which included mass rape.
    As a neo-Nazi sympathizer, he may admire the Japanese for allying with the Nazis.
  8. Standard membershavixmir
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    04 Jun '19 10:13
    @duchess64 said
    Shavixmir shows poor or biased reading comprehension.

    I did NOT write that ALL men are deterred ONLY by fear of punishment.
    I wrote that many men are.

    If rape were legal, does Shavixmir claim that only a few men would rape?
    I reckon I would claim that roughly the same amount of men would rape and abuse as now, yes.

    And I don’t, for a minute, think it’s a small amount. Just not 20 to 40%.
  9. Zugzwang
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    04 Jun '19 10:30
    @shavixmir said
    I reckon I would claim that roughly the same amount of men would rape and abuse as now, yes.

    And I don’t, for a minute, think it’s a small amount. Just not 20 to 40%.
    It's absurd for Shavixmir to believe that rape would not significantly increase if it were legal.

    If rape were legal, I would advise every woman and girl to prepare for
    when, not if, she would be raped.
    All females of child-bearing age should practise contraception.
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    04 Jun '19 14:04
    @Duchess64

    You gave 44 percent or something like that. That is well within my stated interval.
  11. Zugzwang
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    04 Jun '19 18:39
    @eladar said
    @Duchess64

    You gave 44 percent or something like that. That is well within my stated interval.
    Can the lying troll Eladar QUOTE where I allegedly wrote what he puts into my mouth?
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    @duchess64 said
    Some South African surveys have found that, at least in some areas,
    25 to 40 percent of men ADMITTED to having raped at least once.
    There you have it.
  13. Zugzwang
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    04 Jun '19 18:46
    @eladar said
    There you have it.
    Does Eladar ( who claimed to be a math teacher) believe that his '44'
    falls between 25 and 40?
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    04 Jun '19 19:01
    @eladar said
    I am thinking D pegs it at about 33 to 50 percent of men are rapists.
    This was the original interval I guessed. Your statement seems to agree with my guess.
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    04 Jun '19 19:21
    India is the rape capital of the world. I guess they are too smart to get away with it.
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