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  1. Standard membervivify
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/health/spanking-harmful-study-pediatricians.html

    Spanking Is Ineffective and Harmful to Children, Pediatricians’ Group Says

    Parents should not spank their children, the American Academy of Pediatrics said on Monday in its most strongly worded policy statement warning against the harmful effects of corporal punishment in the home.

    The group, which represents about 67,000 doctors, also recommended that pediatricians advise parents against the use of spanking, which it defined as “noninjurious, openhanded hitting with the intention of modifying child behavior,” and said to avoid using nonphysical punishment that is humiliating, scary or threatening.

    “One of the most important relationships we all have is the relationship between ourselves and our parents, and it makes sense to eliminate or limit fear and violence in that loving relationship,” said Dr. Robert D. Sege, a pediatrician at Tufts Medical Center and the Floating Hospital for Children in Boston, and one of the authors of the statement.

    A 2016 analysis of multiple studies, for example, found that children do not benefit from spanking.

    “Certainly you can get a child’s attention, but it’s not an effective strategy to teach right from wrong,” Dr. Sege said.

    Recent studies have also shown that corporal punishment is associated with increased aggression and makes it more likely that children will be defiant in the future. Spanking alone is associated with outcomes similar to those of children who experience physical abuse, the new academy statement says.

    There are potential ramifications to the brain as well: A 2009 study of 23 young adults who had repeated exposure to harsh corporal punishment found reduced gray matter volume in an area of the prefrontal cortex that is believed to play a crucial role in social cognition. Those exposed to harsh punishment also had a lower performance I.Q. than that of a control group.

    Although the study was small in scope, it can help provide a biological basis for other observations about corporal punishment, Dr. Sege said.
  2. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    11 Nov '18 23:261 edit
    @vivify

    Come now. We dont want to "shoulda' " these kids to death . 😀
  3. Standard membersh76
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    @vivify said
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/health/spanking-harmful-study-pediatricians.html

    Spanking Is Ineffective and Harmful to Children, Pediatricians’ Group Says

    Parents should not spank their children, the American Academy of Pediatrics said on Monday in its most strongly worded policy statement warning against the harmful effects of corporal punishment in th ...[text shortened]... provide a biological basis for other observations about corporal punishment, Dr. Sege said.
    As is common with these sorts of studies, "repeated exposure to harsh corporal punishment" presents a classic false dichotomy.
  4. Subscriberkmax87
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    12 Nov '18 03:07
    @sh76 said
    As is common with these sorts of studies, "repeated exposure to harsh corporal punishment" presents a classic false dichotomy.
    Backed up by a sample of 23......
  5. Standard membershavixmir
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    12 Nov '18 04:54
    @sh76 said
    As is common with these sorts of studies, "repeated exposure to harsh corporal punishment" presents a classic false dichotomy.
    You do realise that this report is stating nothing new?

    It’s well documented that spanking doesn’t work; it actually sets an example of not how to deal with frustration.

    And no, it’s got nothing to do with slapping a 5 year old’s hand, if it’s trying to touch a hot pan on a cooker.
  6. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    12 Nov '18 05:21
    Spanking is a word people use when they mean "hitting a child".
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    @vivify said
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/health/spanking-harmful-study-pediatricians.html

    Spanking Is Ineffective and Harmful to Children, Pediatricians’ Group Says

    Parents should not spank their children, the American Academy of Pediatrics said on Monday in its most strongly worded policy statement warning against the harmful effects of corporal punishment in th ...[text shortened]... provide a biological basis for other observations about corporal punishment, Dr. Sege said.
    It is supposed to be harmful. If it doesn't hurt it doesn't work.

    But seriously, spanking is not necessary. I used to make my kids stand in the corner of the room. From my personal experience that is more effective than spanking.

    People usually dislike solitary confinement a lot. That is why incarceration is a popular method of punishment.
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    12 Nov '18 10:00
    @metal-brain said
    It is supposed to be harmful. If it doesn't hurt it doesn't work.
    If you don't understand the difference between hurt and harm, you shouldn't have children. Or, for that matter, write books like 50 Shades.
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    @shallow-blue said
    If you don't understand the difference between hurt and harm, you shouldn't have children. Or, for that matter, write books like 50 Shades.
    Hurting is harming. I'm not even a proponent of corporal punishment. Didn't you read my whole post?
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    @shavixmir said
    And no, it’s got nothing to do with slapping a 5 year old’s hand, if it’s trying to touch a hot pan on a cooker.
    Then people ought to be more nuanced when they discuss this issue.

    It's impossible to have a real discussion about the issue when one never knows whether the other guy is referring to an isolated swat on the bottom or 12 strokes of the cane a la Barry Lyndon.
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    12 Nov '18 15:38
    @metal-brain said
    Hurting is harming.
    It's really not.

    A flu shot may hurt. But it doesn't harm.
  12. Standard membershavixmir
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    @sh76 said
    Then people ought to be more nuanced when they discuss this issue.

    It's impossible to have a real discussion about the issue when one never knows whether the other guy is referring to an isolated swat on the bottom or 12 strokes of the cane a la Barry Lyndon.
    Why would you slap a kid’s arse?
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    @shavixmir said
    Why would you slap a kid’s arse?
    because they have a pussy suit on?
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    Spanking should not be labeled as "bad".

    The issue is not spanking, the issue is proper discipline.

    I've seen children who only responded to spanking, as I have seen children who do not.

    Spanking can also become abusive. If children are physically harmed, or if the discipline is not consistent and based upon prior rules agreed upon then it becomes abusive.

    This reminds me of some kids caught in Singapore for writing graffiti on public property. They were apprehended and sentenced to a flogging. In the US, the media got a hold of this and went nuts as they portrayed the people of Singapore as barbaric savages. No matter, they were flogged anyway. They left with a few bruises............and guess what, they NEVER did that again.
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    @whodey said
    Spanking should not be labeled as "bad".

    The issue is not spanking, the issue is proper discipline.

    I've seen children who only responded to spanking, as I have seen children who do not.

    Spanking can also become abusive. If children are physically harmed, or if the discipline is not consistent and based upon prior rules agreed upon then it becomes abusive.

    This re ...[text shortened]... flogged anyway. They left with a few bruises............and guess what, they NEVER did that again.
    What made you conclude these children "only responded to spanking"?
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