Originally posted by Sam The ShamNo one is "defending the Taliban".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women
Lovely. People who defend the Taliban make me ill.
Right wingers pretending they give the tiniest s**t about the rights of women in 3rd World countries (or anywhere else) make me ill.
Originally posted by no1marauderThe Peasants' Revolt was indeed a popular rebellion. It failed because Tyler was murdered while negotiating in good faith. The specific changes Tyler wanted weren't made, the King breaking all his promises after Tyler's death. So, in terms of its own aims, the rebellion was a failure. There's no causal connection between Tyler's activities and whatever subsequent advances in liberty in the UK there have been.
Don't be an imbecile. Wat Tyler didn't have mass popular support. But the changes he wanted eventually happened, didn't they?
As an aside, popular support is important for a rebellion to succeed, but organisation and firepower are probably more important.
We all know where this thread is heading; like virtually every thread in this forum regarding the Middle East it will degenerate into Muslim bashing.
It seems for some strange reason I actually have to say this:
I think governments based on theocracies or any government which denies Fundamental Rights is "bad".
That does not mean that I think the solution to a "bad" government is having foreigners invade the country and install what they think is a "good" government.
Perhaps the thread can get back on-topic now though I doubt it.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThis is off-topic, but a rebellion which fails merely because one man is killed isn't one with "popular support" in my view.
The Peasants' Revolt was indeed a popular rebellion. It failed because Tyler was murdered while negotiating in good faith. The specific changes Tyler wanted weren't made, the King breaking all his promises after Tyler's death. So, in terms of its own aims, the rebellion was a failure. There's no causal connection between Tyler's activities and whatever ...[text shortened]... ant for a rebellion to succeed, but organisation and firepower are probably more important.
No country ever put more firepower to use than the US in Vietnam. It failed to prevent the people of Vietnam from unifying their country.
Originally posted by no1marauderDon't cop out so quickly; you must have some ideas. If you were an Afghan woman who believed that human beings have equal rights, what would you consider doing?
I don't have one. I'll leave it to the women in Afghanistan to figure that out (assuming that they even want political equality; I'm sure some do but I'm equally sure that many don't).
Originally posted by no1marauderI've already said I tend to agree intervention is no practical use.
We all know where this thread is heading; like virtually every thread in this forum regarding the Middle East it will degenerate into Muslim bashing.
It seems for some strange reason I actually have to say this:
I think governments based on theocracies or any government which denies Fundamental Rights is "bad".
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Perhaps the thread can get back on-topic now though I doubt it.
But is sitting back and doing nothing at all any better?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThis is relevant to the topic of this thread how again?
Don't cop out so quickly; you must have some ideas. If you were an Afghan woman who believed that human beings have equal rights, what would you consider doing?
I really don't have any ideas; whatever they do is fine with me. It's really NOMB.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYes it is. That way I'm not responsible for a lot of people getting killed. The people who need to do something are the people who feel their rights are being violated.
I've already said I tend to agree intervention is no practical use.
But is sitting back and doing nothing at all any better?
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Originally posted by no1marauderOff-topic -- muchas apologias -- At what point does the oppression, enslavement and murder of other human beings become none of your business? When they're in another country? Another city? Another neighbourhood? Or does it have to affect you personally?
This is relevant to the topic of this thread how again?
I really don't have any ideas; whatever they do is fine with me. It's really NOMB.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageWhen I don't have anything to do with it in any way, shape or form. Obviously what the civil society I am a member of does is part of my concern.
Off-topic -- muchos apologias -- At what point does the oppression, enslavement and murder of other human beings become none of your business? When they're in another country? Another city? Another neighbourhood? Or does it have to affect you personally?
Unlike you, I haven't yet figured out how to make the world conform to my ideas on how people should organize their societies. Nor, unlike Howie, have I accepted the idea that those who believe differently should be exterminated. I'm reasonably content to let people work these things out on their own trusting in Man's inherent "goodness" and propensity towards progress.
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageI suppose if you want to go there, Goebbels and Hitler made quite a fuss about the outrages committed on the Sudetenland Germans by the brutal Czech government. I guess you'd agree that Nazi intervention to prevent their "oppression" was a moral imperative.
Now you're talking like Neville Chamberlain.
Originally posted by no1marauderNot at all. According to your line of thinking, it would have been none of my business; I could have happily washed my hands of the affair and let them all sort it out, trusting in the innate goodness of human nature.
I suppose if you want to go there, Goebbels and Hitler made quite a fuss about the outrages committed on the Sudetenland Germans by the brutal Czech government. I guess you'd agree that Nazi intervention to prevent their "oppression" was a moral imperative.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThe Americans pulled the carpet from under RAWA as soon as they'd toppled the Taliban, having cited their perspectives and aspirations in the lead up to that invasion.
How could Afghan women achieve political equality with men in a patriarchal tribal system?