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.. and yet we ask them to ground truth in historical fact, to provide context, read closely, think critically, evaluate sources, corroborate accounts, and back up claims with evidence from original documents. We ask them to do this without making mistakes or be fired. We ask them to teach our kids how to self-govern, without offending the delicate sensibilities of their highly polarized, FoxNews-only, narcissistic parents. Is education just for teaching kids what the parents want taught, or raising responsible citizens?

Transit police? They write parking tickets. My dog could do what they do. Both occupations are publicly-funded, but we value paying higher salaries to people who write our own parking tickets (to fund their salaries) than we value public education. Gross.

The culture wars, with their atmosphere of resentment, fear, and petty faultfinding, are hostile to the writing and reading of literature. The novelist Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie recently predicted that the novels of the next 10 to 15 years “will be awful … Art has to be able to go to a place that’s messy, a place that’s uncomfortable,” she said. “Literature is the last thing that we can depend on to tell us the truth about who we are.” The connection between reading and democratic citizenship might not be direct, but it’s real.

The pandemic should have forced us to reassess what really matters in public school; instead, it’s a crisis that we’ve just about wasted. The classroom has become a half-abandoned battlefield, where grown-ups who claim to be protecting students from the virus, from books, from ideologies and counter-ideologies end up using children to protect themselves and their own entrenched camps. American democracy can’t afford another generation of adults who don’t know how to talk and listen and think. We owe our COVID-scarred children the means to free themselves from the failures of the past and the present.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/04/pandemic-politics-public-schools/622824/

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Teachers in Canada get 80k a year!

Way too much.

That's 60k a year American.

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@wildgrass said
.. and yet we ask them to ground truth in historical fact, to provide context, read closely, think critically, evaluate sources, corroborate accounts, and back up claims with evidence from original documents. We ask them to do this without making mistakes or be fired. We ask them to teach our kids how to self-govern, without offending the delicate sensibilities of their hig ...[text shortened]... uote]
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/04/pandemic-politics-public-schools/622824/
There is a wide variance in teacher salary from $40k to six figures in the private schools. But yes the public school teachers are underpaid, under supplied and overworked.

You might want to critically evaluate what you think “we” ask of teachers because people expect widely varying things from child care to the three Rs, to the sort of thing you refer to, to propaganda, to neutrality, etc etc

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Parents are pulling students out of public schools and putting them into private schools because they are tired of the anti white rhetoric...the gender identity bullshyt...and the lack of accountability when a student is a failure.

Other countries focus on math, science and performance...etc etc.

Yall Americans gave up on that long ago.

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Teachers in Canada get 80k a year!

Way too much.

That's 60k a year American.
You expect too little for your time if you think that’s too much for a middle class professional working full time.

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@athousandyoung said
You expect too little for your time if you think that’s too much for a middle class professional working full time.
Labour is hard.

Sitting at a desk and telling students to do their school work is not.

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Labour is hard.

Sitting at a desk and telling students to do their school work is not.
Donald Trump didn’t get rich laboring. Why should you have to do hard physical labor just to pay the rent and have a decent car?

This (my) country was founded by slave masters who got rich without laboring. You seem to admire those people and are constantly insulting the slaves who labored harder than anyone else ever has in this country. You are inconsistent.

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@wildgrass said
.. and yet we ask them to ground truth in historical fact, to provide context, read closely, think critically, evaluate sources, corroborate accounts, and back up claims with evidence from original documents. We ask them to do this without making mistakes or be fired. We ask them to teach our kids how to self-govern, without offending the delicate sensibilities of their hig ...[text shortened]... uote]
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/04/pandemic-politics-public-schools/622824/
What are “transit police”?

Parking tickets where I live are generally written by Parking Enforcement workers. Police have guns and are expected to be ready to kill or die at a moments notice. So…IDK

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I said Teachers are over paid prima donnas who basically just sit there while American students fail and you start talking about some slaves from 200 years ago?

If you're going to hang onto tyrones nuts please do it in private and don't share it here 🙄

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@contenchess said
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I said Teachers are over paid prima donnas who basically just sit there while American students fail and you start talking about some slaves from 200 years ago?

If you're going to hang onto tyrones nuts please do it in private and don't share it here 🙄
Maybe a chicken/egg problem. $60k per year is about what an Uber driver makes. Its less than police, nurse, entry-level finance, all jobs that require less than two years advanced degree training.

Maybe if citizens were incentivized to become teachers, they would act like more than babysitters.

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What are “transit police”?

Parking tickets where I live are generally written by Parking Enforcement workers. Police have guns and are expected to be ready to kill or die at a moments notice. So…IDK
Where you live, is that (police with guns) job statistically more dangerous than other jobs?

Where I live, it's 1,000x more deadly to be a logger than a police officer, statistically speaking.

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@wildgrass said
Where you live, is that (police with guns) job statistically more dangerous than other jobs?

Where I live, it's 1,000x more deadly to be a logger than a police officer, statistically speaking.
Sounds like loggers should get paid a lot.

I have no idea how often cops get killed in inner city LA but I know it does happen.

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@contenchess said
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I said Teachers are over paid prima donnas who basically just sit there while American students fail and you start talking about some slaves from 200 years ago?

If you're going to hang onto tyrones nuts please do it in private and don't share it here 🙄
Let me ask you a question. If you need heart surgery do you want a farm laborer doing it or someone who has spent a decade of their adult life in classrooms with teachers in them? Do you want them to know anatomy and virology…

Or should they just be really strong and perform hard labor on you?

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@athousandyoung said
Sounds like loggers should get paid a lot.

I have no idea how often cops get killed in inner city LA but I know it does happen.
Being a police is not without risk, but you wrote that police are expected to die at a moment's notice presumably as a rationale for why transit officers should be paid more than teachers?

The job of police isn't in the top 15 of risky occupations, and this list does not correlate whatsoever with salary. So I guess I don't understand your point.

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@athousandyoung said
There is a wide variance in teacher salary from $40k to six figures in the private schools. But yes the public school teachers are underpaid, under supplied and overworked.

You might want to critically evaluate what you think “we” ask of teachers because people expect widely varying things from child care to the three Rs, to the sort of thing you refer to, to propaganda, to neutrality, etc etc
I refer to "we" as in "We the people". Of course there's variance on an individual level.

We ask teachers to propaganda? Who does that?

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