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@jj-adams said
The concept of private property didn't exist until governments were formed? Everybody just shared everything without a thought of owning anything?
Am I misunderstanding you, or are you seriously claiming that?

Marauder will not elaborate on this one. If he does, he will change what he said.

@averagejoe1 said
Marauder will not elaborate on this one. If he does, he will change what he said.

at some point even marauder gives up explaining you dumb bastards the most basic of concepts

@zahlanzi said
at some point even marauder gives up explaining you dumb bastards the most basic of concepts

So back before people even organized simple tribes, Og didn't consider his obsidian knife to be his and his alone? Anyone else could come along and take it from him and he'd be OK with that?

@zahlanzi said
at some point even marauder gives up explaining you dumb bastards the most basic of concepts

Lest ye forget, one of his 'concepts' is 'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.'
Has he explained that? Please go back and find it and paste to this thread, and we can go from there. Otherwise, it would be difficult for me, or anyone for that matter other than a Marxist, to effort following his explanations of anything.

@jj-adams said
The concept of private property didn't exist until governments were formed? Everybody just shared everything without a thought of owning anything?
Am I misunderstanding you, or are you seriously claiming that?

There's property based on possession (referred to as "personal property" ) and property used to exploit others to make a profit (referred to as "private property" ). The latter did not exist in the Natural State.

I would say I've explained the difference on this Forum hundreds of times.

@jj-adams said
So back before people even organized simple tribes, Og didn't consider his obsidian knife to be his and his alone? Anyone else could come along and take it from him and he'd be OK with that?

Og considered his knife and other items he possessed his personal property.

He and no one he knew considered 1,000 acres of land their private property.

@jj-adams said
So back before people even organized simple tribes, Og didn't consider his obsidian knife to be his and his alone? Anyone else could come along and take it from him and he'd be OK with that?

I'll answer for our Marxists. Yes. It would be totally acceptable, esp if the victim, and he is a victim, did not have a knife of his own. Ask Zahlanzi if it would apply if the taker already had a knife, or would it only apply if the victim did not have a knife. Libs can make one quite dizzy. I have to hold on to something when I read their unbelieveable premises.

@averagejoe1 said
I'll answer for our Marxists. Yes. It would be totally acceptable, esp if the victim, and he is a victim, did not have a knife of his own. Ask Zahlanzi if it would apply if the taker already had a knife, or would it only apply if the victim did not have a knife. Libs can make one quite dizzy. I have to hold on to something when I read their unbelieveable premises.

As usual, your answer is wrong because you are an uneducated fool.

@no1marauder said
There's property based on possession (referred to as "personal property" ) and property used to exploit others to make a profit (referred to as "private property" ). The latter did not exist in the Natural State.

I would say I've explained the difference on this Forum hundreds of times.

You have explained hundreds of differences on the Forum thousands of times. I can't believe I forgot this explanation. Sorry, fell asleep in class probably.

Come to think of it, no, you did not explain the logic of a person 'with' who should give his stuff to a person 'without'. Could you run that one by us once again?

@no1marauder said
Og considered his knife and other items he possessed his personal property.

He and no one he knew considered 1,000 acres of land their private property.

But you said there was no such thing as personal property before governments came along.
OK now you say he could own an obsidian knife, but not land.
So when Og discovered farming and cultivated a piece of land he didn't consider it his? Or the area around his hut?
Waiting for your mealy-mouthed response changing the facts on this one.
Just admit you are wrong and move on.

@no1marauder said
Og considered his knife and other items he possessed his personal property.

He and no one he knew considered 1,000 acres of land their private property.

So now you are saying that someone may keep his personal property, that no one has a right to it. But then you have a somewhat socialistic bent about the right of people (a college student) to take money from someone (me) to pay his debts.

Marauder, you have never been more in a corner. You will not answer this question. Links, perhaps?

@jj-adams said
But you said there was no such thing as personal property before governments came along.
OK now you say he could own an obsidian knife, but not land.
So when Og discovered farming and cultivated a piece of land he didn't consider it his? Or the area around his hut?
Waiting for your mealy-mouthed response changing the facts on this one.
Just admit you are wrong and move on.

Oh Lord, he will come back wkith 'no one should own land', and go into a soliloquy on communal farming or some such. But let us not distract him from my better question.
He is trhing to think of how to go out a side window next to the corner he is in.

@jj-adams said
But you said there was no such thing as personal property before governments came along.
OK now you say he could own an obsidian knife, but not land.
So when Og discovered farming and cultivated a piece of land he didn't consider it his? Or the area around his hut?
Waiting for your mealy-mouthed response changing the facts on this one.
Just admit you are wrong and move on.

No, I didn't say "there was no such thing as personal property before governments came along". You need to re-read my post and perhaps get an education.

A piece of land that Og personally and/or with his immediate family farmed would be his personal property just like the knife. A piece of land that Og had to use others to farm would be private property and that didn't exist before the State.

@averagejoe1 said
So now you are saying that someone may keep his personal property, that no one has a right to it. But then you have a somewhat socialistic bent about the right of people (a college student) to take money from someone (me) to pay his debts.

Marauder, you have never been more in a corner. You will not answer this question. Links, perhaps?

You really are incredibly stupid.

I'll leave it at that; the difference in political philosophy between the concept of "personal property" and "private property" is reasonably easy to grasp.

@no1marauder said
No, I didn't say "there was no such thing as personal property before governments came along". You need to re-read my post and perhaps get an education.

A piece of land that Og personally farmed would be his personal property just like the knife. A piece of land that Og had to use others to farm would be private property and that didn't exist before the State.

Now you are just lying.
Look at your original post, you said, and I QUOTE:
"The concept of personal property didn't exist until governments came along".
Don't bother answering I'm done with you.