@dood111 saidGood point, that his answer meant nothing to anyone. Please everyone see this, we need to be prepared for Kamala. (what a stupid name).
OMG a photo-op with a question arranged in advance and Biden still had to reach in his pocket because he couldn't remember the answer? The way he mumbled and acted befuddled was sad, even when he got the cheat sheet out he didn't make any sense.
I predicted that Joe would be gone within 18 months. Hell, I think it will be over before the spring.
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@phranny saidI got this one,, guys. (Waiting for Duchess, who defends non-multicultural China while giving us hell about multicultural Jesus)
@shavixmir
The "past" systemic racist atrocities in the U.S. still exist today. The last lynching was March 21, 1981 in Mobile, Alabama. Black people in the U.S. have been denied access to education, employment, income, and the ability to acquire land. They live in constant fear of the police. They routinely receive stiffer sentences for crimes than white people. The list is ...[text shortened]... because white people would rather suffer without medical care than see Black people get health care.
#1. A few killers lynch someone, one guy. Bad men. Yet you say nothing about 10 people KILLED in Chicago on July 4th?????? Then there will more tonight. Phranny, would you close, round our, complete your comments? It would save me a lot of typing .
#2. YOur 3rd sentence (education etc) is a total lie. Do your own linking.
#3. Blacks need not fear police if they 'do right'. Like all of us do. And if you get pulled over, are you gonna start raving and talking nonstop to the cop, (like George Floyd did), or will you say 'good day officer', and hear what HE has to say, since he started the meeting. Yeah, dont break the law and you need not fear the police. Holy Smokes.
#4. The law and punishment is not perfect. True the rich criminals, black or white, hire the best lawyers, etc. The judge follows sentencing laws, clear for all to see. Tell your friends that if they dont do the crime, they won't do the time. I hereby predict that I will never be sentenced for a crime. I guess you wonder how I know that. Just read above.
#5 I dont quite get your slavery comments, a lot of their great great greats are senators, lawyers, successful businessmen, professors, doctors, scientists. So, all is well that ends well. My maid is about 30% black I think. How are y'all going to figure that out? Oh, you will need quite a few new government agencies....just what you people want!!! And you think that our generation needs to fulfill the lie about 40 acres? Weird.
#6 The reason we dont expand medicaid and everything else you socialists want is because we cannot afford it,.....My reason is that everyone can take care of themselves. I started with nothing. No big deal. Oh, you have to work hard. Downer. You apparently dont know about supplemental isnurance, etc. But tell them not to have more children than they can afford, because they might not be able to buy health insurance. And they certainly shouldn't expect your or me to pay for it. Do you think you and I should pay for it?
Gotta go, waiting for Duchess to explain how she finds us anti multicultural while China has one culture.
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If any of you have visited the Mt. Rushmore monument, have you also seen the Crazy Horse monument that is still being sculpted just a few miles away in the same vicinity? Mt. Rushmore was completed in 1941, and the sculpting of the Crazy Horse monument was started seven years later.
The Crazy Horse monument is huge in comparison and very impressive so far. It is a work in progress and the expected completion date is still unknown. Korczak Ziolkowski began sculpting the mountain on June 3, 1948. When finished, the mountain carving is expected to be 563 feet high and 641 long.
@averagejoe1 saidManhattan only cost you $24.
Then we also have to print more money...don’t we start paying slave reparations next week? To the people, who, had their ancestors not been brought here, would be fighting tribal wars in Africa? Dood is right, give it a rest. Next you will be saying we should not have ‘taken land from the indians’, So where would that leave us today, while they would be chasing buffal ...[text shortened]... ormalcy and make lives for themselves. Next they will turn liberal and try feed off of other people.
Maybe some guilt in order ?
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@mghrn55 saidGreat point. We need to pay them what is was really worth then. Lord, can you imagine the appraisers scratching their heads to come with a fair market value!! I dont know what you mean by guilt.
Manhattan only cost you $24.
Maybe some guilt in order ?
Say you know the Interstate is about to be built right where farmer Jones' tomato field is, and you talk him into selling it to you for a low price. All legal, on the up and up. You buy it, and wait for the phone to ring, The State offers you about 100 times more than you paid for it. Boy, is that farmer upset.
Question: Should you feel guilty? You know the Disney corp did this in middle Florida, pure genius. Sent in 'straw men' to buy up property, which became Dinsey Land.
Question,: Should Disney feel guilty?
@averagejoe1 saidAJ: Say you know the Interstate is about to be built right where farmer Jones' tomato field is, and you talk him into selling it to you for a low price. All legal, on the up and up. You buy it, and wait for the phone to ring, The State offers you about 100 times more than you paid for it. Boy, is that farmer upset.
Great point. We need to pay them what is was really worth then. Lord, can you imagine the appraisers scratching their heads to come with a fair market value!! I dont know what you mean by guilt.
Say you know the Interstate is about to be built right where farmer Jones' tomato field is, and you talk him into selling it to you for a low price. All legal, on the up a ...[text shortened]... en' to buy up property, which became Dinsey Land.
Question,: Should Disney feel guilty?
If you got such information from a government official with knowledge of the State's plan (and where else could you get it?), both him and you would be involved in a Conspiracy to Defraud.
Have fun in prison, Joe.
@no1marauder saidEasy Marauder, you and Handy Andy always get caught up in analogy confusion.
AJ: Say you know the Interstate is about to be built right where farmer Jones' tomato field is, and you talk him into selling it to you for a low price. All legal, on the up and up. You buy it, and wait for the phone to ring, The State offers you about 100 times more than you paid for it. Boy, is that farmer upset.
If you got such information from a government official ...[text shortened]... get it?), both him and you would be involved in a Conspiracy to Defraud.
Have fun in prison, Joe.
Note that I said 'on the up and up', implying of course that the whole process was on the up and up. His wife could have gotten the info at a cocktail party where a guy told another guy about the plan, and she came hold and told him!!!! More likely, the newspaper reported legislative process which included this info, and the man, being very persistent, hard working, smart, resourceful and maybe a bit lucky, started looking at county maps, had an engineering degree, and was 94% right that it was going through the tomato patch. And, do you think Disney did anything wrong? Straw men? Sneaky stuff!
Now, enjoy the point of my analogy. If someone buys something at a 'steal' and sells it for 500 times what he paid for it, is that OK, or are you libs going to have a hissy fit.?
@phranny saidYes. I see that.
@shavixmir
The "past" systemic racist atrocities in the U.S. still exist today. The last lynching was March 21, 1981 in Mobile, Alabama. Black people in the U.S. have been denied access to education, employment, income, and the ability to acquire land. They live in constant fear of the police. They routinely receive stiffer sentences for crimes than white people. The list is ...[text shortened]... because white people would rather suffer without medical care than see Black people get health care.
My point in this is: one can aknowledge the historic context of discrimination and measures failed or otherwise, but one can’t change that. There is, ergo, no time machine to go back and do things differently.
What one has is the circumstances in the now and expectations for the future.
The situation now, whilst being formed by the past, is no longer the same situation as 1 generation ago or 50.
So how long do you go back in time to set the standard from which to start changing the present?
Ultimately, it seems to me, futile.
The present is what we have to work with. Is there racism now? Is there fear of the police now? What’s causing poverty now? Which measures have been tried to better the situation: evaluate them and learn.
Lack of education, broken homes, feelings of insecurity, fear of losing homes or healthcare, bad diets, drug-related criminality, victimhood, etc.
All have roots in history and decisions made. All are formed by the environment and political make-up over generations.
This is absolutely true.
Aknowledging this is important to see how things happened, so that lessons can be learnt on how to tackle the situation from now on. Giving everyone 40 acres and mule. Or some land in the desert. Or a pass at avoiding context in school. It’s not going to better the current situation.
And that has to be the goal.
And I will be the first to admit that the US has serious issues to overcome. Their capitalist and individualistic outlook on life makes the actions needed very difficult to implement.
As for racism.
Racism is nearly never a cause or a goal. It’s usually a consequence or a tool (a means to an end).
And like many such beliefs, it becomes engrained through repetition of experience and communication.
Ergo, calling someone a racist won’t change anything:
You’ll be focussing on a concrete change of a cause, when you should be focussing on the relational change of underlying mechanics.
Perhaps a little technical.
But cultural nudging and system change are massive issues and if you don’t see the picture correctly, all the historic perspective in the world will not change what’s actually the problem.