100 years ago!
The video (by historian Mark Felton) is an excellent summary. How, as the nazis marched, ever more people joined the march. Well, until they were stopped, obviously.
It’s not really a debate, just a wee bit of history. It always amazes me how disgruntled people can so easily be lured in by right-wing extremism.
I guess it’s quite well summed up in Hitler’s 25 point agenda at the time:
- tear up the unfair Versailles treaty (cause of poverty… understandable)
- get the country working again (lots of unemployed… understandable)
- take back the land that was given away by the Versailles treaty (okay… questionable… but, hey… other points are cerainly understandable)
- take new territory (well… uh… really… but hey… full employment sounds good… )
- blame the Jews (really? Oh. Well… I guess some random group has to be blamed)
So, I guess, in essence, a mixed message with which the good points hold more sway with the impoverished and downtrodden, than the bat-shyt crazy points in the manifest.
Leading down a rabbit hole of extremism.
?si=i20UmiePmAwHyPtd
The Beer Hall Putsch, also known as the Munich Putsch, was a failed coup d'état by Nazi Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) leader Adolf Hitler, Generalquartiermeister Erich Ludendorff and other Kampfbund leaders in Munich, Bavaria, on 8–9 November 1923, during the Weimar Republic. Approximately two thousand Nazis marched on the Feldherrnhalle, in the city centre, but were confronted by a police cordon, which resulted in the deaths of 16 Nazis, four police officers, and one bystander.
- from Wikipedia -
@shavixmir
The tragedy is that Germans didn’t take him seriously the first time, which was amateurish, and let him do it again more thoroughly.
@moonbus saidAgreed.
@shavixmir
The tragedy is that Germans didn’t take him seriously the first time, which was amateurish, and let him do it again more thoroughly.
And some how there seems to be a lesson here, somewhere.
@shavixmir saidStay out of beer halls when brown shirts march in ?
Agreed.
And some how there seems to be a lesson here, somewhere.
- Joined
- 23 Feb 22
- Moves
- 1798
Last month I've been going to sleep by listening to the audio book of William Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, it's a great aid for insomnia..
Read the book when I was a teen and was fascinated by it.
I also tried to wade through Mein Kampf, but it is unreadable.
@jj-adams saidMy version of Mein Kampf is in old German (it looks like Gothic lettering), it’s got a photo of the Hitler in it and his signature.
Last month I've been going to sleep by listening to the audio book of William Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, it's a great aid for insomnia..
Read the book when I was a teen and was fascinated by it.
I also tried to wade through Mein Kampf, but it is unreadable.
I can’t read a bloody word of it.
I did read a translation of mein kampf back in the 90’s. Well, most of it… it really is attrocious rubbish.
@shavixmir saidIt is useful as a tool to understand the mental state of Hitler, but that's about it.
My version of Mein Kampf is in old German (it looks like Gothic lettering), it’s got a photo of the Hitler in it and his signature.
I can’t read a bloody word of it.
I did read a translation of mein kampf back in the 90’s. Well, most of it… it really is attrocious rubbish.
It's also a ridiculous and shockingly disgusting diatribe. Most people I know who've read it put it down well before they get to the end.
@jj-adams saidShirer's work (there's no other way to describe it) was an excellent resource for me when, for a US History class in high school, we put on a mini re-creation of the Nuremberg trials. I learned a lot during the exercise, which ran for two weeks with an extra week for research. I was absent when the roles were handed out, so I was unlucky enough to score a spot on the defense counsel.
Last month I've been going to sleep by listening to the audio book of William Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, it's a great aid for insomnia..
Read the book when I was a teen and was fascinated by it.
I also tried to wade through Mein Kampf, but it is unreadable.
- Joined
- 23 Feb 22
- Moves
- 1798
@suzianne saidCool...check out this video from the movie "Nuremberg" 20 years ago....at 4:00 the witness casually describes his duties as commandant and admits to gassing 2 million people while the court looks on in disbelief:
Shirer's work (there's no other way to describe it) was an excellent resource for me when, for a US History class in high school, we put on a mini re-creation of the Nuremberg trials. I learned a lot during the exercise, which ran for two weeks with an extra week for research. I was absent when the roles were handed out, so I was unlucky enough to score a spot on the defense counsel.
- Joined
- 23 Feb 22
- Moves
- 1798
@jj-adams saidHis testimony is not Hollywood made-up drama, it's from the actual court transcripts:
Cool...check out this video from the movie "Nuremberg" 20 years ago....at 4:00 the witness casually describes his duties as commandant and admits to gassing 2 million people while the court looks on in disbelief:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0hJqNuRH1A
"When accused of murdering three and a half million people, Höss replied, "No. Only two and one half million—the rest died from disease and starvation."[
Sheesh.
I guess you have to admire his honesty, at least he didn't lie like the others did.
@jj-adams saidInteresting article describing Rudolf Hoess' execution by hanging in Poland 1947 here: https://www.auschwitz.org/en/museum/news/auschwitz-commandant-rudolf-hoess-on-the-gallows,461.html
His testimony is not Hollywood made-up drama, it's from the actual court transcripts:
"When accused of murdering three and a half million people, Höss replied, "No. Only two and one half million—the rest died from disease and starvation."[
Sheesh.
I guess you have to admire his honesty, at least he didn't lie like the others did.
It states: " This was the last public execution in Poland."
@suzianne saidIt's emotionally charged drivel.
It is useful as a tool to understand the mental state of Hitler, but that's about it.
It's also a ridiculous and shockingly disgusting diatribe. Most people I know who've read it put it down well before they get to the end.
@moonbus saidHey! He does mention the Protocols of the Elder of Zion, referring to them having to be true… and why are they true? Because a Frankfurt newspaper says they are not.
It's emotionally charged drivel.
And no holes can be poked in arguments like that. Blasted bloody mainstream media trying to convince us of the blatantly obvious!
Pffff..
@shavixmir saidSometimes anti-logic is so thick, one cannot wade into it to refute it. It's the same with Young Earth Christians; to attempt to refute their anti-logic is to become entangled in a briar patch of sheer sophistry. Sometimes, one has to drop an argument and just walk away from it. Unfortunately, Germany didn't take Hitler seriously after the first putsch attempt, and the world paid too dearly for it.
Hey! He does mention the Protocols of the Elder of Zion, referring to them having to be true… and why are they true? Because a Frankfurt newspaper says they are not.
And no holes can be poked in arguments like that. Blasted bloody mainstream media trying to convince us of the blatantly obvious!
Pffff..