The definition of socialism

@suzianne said
Hey, stupid.

Private ownership of the means of production is capitalism. Obviously.

I think you are saying that in socialism, an individual cannot own means of production. Do you find that cool?

@metal-brain said
I am a communist because of what it is, not what you think it is. You are very far from politically savy unless appealing to false perceptions is politically savy. I have no interest in that. I am not running for office. I can be honest without any blowback from the ignorance of you and others who have been brainwashed into thinking communism is something it is not.

Have you learned anything from this thread?

Oh, the sheer irony.

@metal-brain said
Nobody suggested there was socialism before Marx. The only thing proven is that the idea existed before Marx, but not as Marx clarified. If you accept socialism is the transition between capitalism and communism the goal is communism, isn't it?

So socialists are really aspiring communists.....or fake communists that don't finish what they started. And democratic socialists are really just progressive democrats because there is no intended transition. Right?

Wrong.

@shavixmir said
The answer is yes.
What he can’t do is employ people. He needs to make them joint owners and pay them their fair share.

If you have a planned economy, to a certain extent, the means which are needed have priority in production.
So, say society needs bread. If your friend is a baker, thst will sit nicely with the priority. If your friend is a gold smith, then his produ ...[text shortened]... force of demand, “need” is that driving force. Once needs are met, then wants come into the picture.

When the 'needs'....basic comforts..are met, may a person in such a society continue to gather larger comforts. If he has a car, can he get more cars for his kids, and take them on a vacation to the Caribbean? OR, will his freedom to do so be snatched away at the point he gets to the said 'basic needs' level? Can he do something as simple as save money?

@metal-brain said
I am a communist because of what it is, not what you think it is. You are very far from politically savy unless appealing to false perceptions is politically savy. I have no interest in that. I am not running for office. I can be honest without any blowback from the ignorance of you and others who have been brainwashed into thinking communism is something it is not.

Have you learned anything from this thread?

Communism doesn't work because of the human factor.
Capitalism does not work because it devours itself . Books have been written about it

@metal-brain said
I am a communist

No, Stalinism is not communism.

@metal-brain said
Nobody suggested there was socialism before Marx.

Wrong. I just did.

And the rest of your post just describes a very simplified version of the Marxist version of socialism, not socialism in general.

@averagejoe1 said
When the 'needs'....basic comforts..are met, may a person in such a society continue to gather larger comforts. If he has a car, can he get more cars for his kids, and take them on a vacation to the Caribbean? OR, will his freedom to do so be snatched away at the point he gets to the said 'basic needs' level? Can he do something as simple as save money?

I hope someone will clue me in on this. I am thinking about moving to a socialist country but I would like to be able to continue improving my status in life everyday, free to grow in every way.

@caissad4 said
Communism doesn't work because of the human factor.
Capitalism does not work because it devours itself . Books have been written about it

Communism has never existed to prove it doesn't work. I think what you really mean is communism cannot be achieved because of the human factor, greed. Capitalists will not let it happen. They suppress it every chance they get. Then they call it a failure because they made sure it failed.

McCarthyism proved they fear it. They blacklisted people for it. They tried to strangle it. They fought wars against it with your money. They feared it would spread like a cancer, hence the term "domino effect". Hardly something they would do if they honestly thought it was a failure.

Smallpox doesn't work because it was so feared and fought hard against. Same thing with communism. Capitalists fight really hard to eradicate socialism before it can become communism because they fear it so much.

@shallow-blue said
No, Stalinism is not communism.

I never said that it was.
You are confused.

@shallow-blue said
Wrong. I just did.

And the rest of your post just describes a very simplified version of the Marxist version of socialism, not socialism in general.

Then you are wrong.
Socialism didn't exist before Marx, just the idea of it and the term.

@averagejoe1 said
I am thinking about moving to a socialist country but

Yawn.

@metal-brain said
I never said that it was.
You are confused.

You claim to be a communist.

You are lying about that. So are all other Stalinists.

@shallow-blue said
You claim to be a communist.

You are lying about that. So are all other Stalinists.

You need to study political science.
You falsely think Stalinism represents all socialist regimes for some illogical reason. The real world is far from that simple.

@metal-brain said
You need to study political science.
You falsely think Stalinism represents all socialist regimes

No. Completely the opposite.

I observe your witterings, and conclude from them that you are a Stalinist.

I am well aware - better aware than you, in fact- that Stalinism does not represent any kind of socialism, including communism.

Therefore, you are not a communist.