05 Jul 06
yes here are some more pictures
http://www.geocities.com/israeli_eyes/index8.html
http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/terror.victims/page12.html
http://www.dolfindisko.com/horror.html
(for those of you wondering what that red stuff covering the square is --you guessed it that's blood)
http://rotter.net/israel/
http://www.jr.co.il/terror/israel/index.html
http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/slideshowimages/slide1.html
this one shows how the "average" palestinian really wants peace, (the lynching of two Israeli soldiers who took a wrong turn and ended up in Ramallah 10/12/00
http://www.jr.co.il/terror/israel/lynch09.jpg
05 Jul 06
Originally posted by aginisRead this;
yes here are some more pictures
http://www.geocities.com/israeli_eyes/index8.html
http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/terror.victims/page12.html
http://www.dolfindisko.com/horror.html
(for those of you wondering what that red stuff covering the square is --you guessed it that's blood)
http://rotter.net/israel/
http://www.jr.co.il/terror/israe ...[text shortened]... a wrong turn and ended up in Ramallah 10/12/00
http://www.jr.co.il/terror/israel/lynch09.jpg
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/net-report.html
Then show me a link that states the opposite.
05 Jul 06
Originally posted by PeachyTerrible - all of it.
Read this;
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/net-report.html
Then show me a link that states the opposite.
But you, Peachy - you encourage it by supporting suicide bombers.
So until you stop propogating violence, don't be hippocritical in condemning it.
05 Jul 06
Originally posted by howardgeeThe only people I encourage are the Freedom Fighters.
Terrible - all of it.
But you, Peachy - you encourage it by supporting suicide bombers.
So until you stop propogating violence, don't be hippocritical in condemning it.
You would be one am sure if your land was robbed from you in the same fashion. You will understand the suffering far better if you lived one day amongst these people.
The pictures and facts in my links speak a thousand word. I say no more.
06 Jul 06
Originally posted by PeachyThis study shows that the major news stations here in the US report that Israeli deaths (both adult and especially children) are much higher than Palestinian deaths while in "reality" 22 times more Palestinians than Israelis die in their little war.
Read this;
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/net-report.html
Then show me a link that states the opposite.
It is written like a research paper, complete with references and all that jazz. The information is actually very interesting.
One problem is that if I can't believe the news why should I believe these references. It is so easy to write lies and publish it here on the internet.
Another problem is that a website such as "www.ifamericansknew.org" will obviously provide biased information. Why should I believe the research that this site provides?
What side should I believe and why?
06 Jul 06
Originally posted by DraxusNeither. As long as they're both blowing each other to hell and slaughtering men, women and children, then neither side gets to play the victim card. They are ALL responsible for their actions.
This study shows that the major news stations here in the US report that Israeli deaths (both adult and especially children) are much higher than Palestinian deaths while in "reality" 22 times more Palestinians than Israelis die in their little war.
It is written like a research paper, complete with references and all that jazz. The information is actuall ...[text shortened]... ould I believe the research that this site provides?
What side should I believe and why?
Misery is what both sides deserve.
06 Jul 06
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Originally posted by Draxusi just searched in wikipedia under "palestinian deaths"
This study shows that the major news stations here in the US report that Israeli deaths (both adult and especially children) are much higher than Palestinian deaths while in "reality" 22 times more Palestinians than Israelis die in their little war....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialšearch?search=palestinian+deaths
it came with a detailed list of lists of israeli casualties.
there is no mention of any palestinian casualties ... so surely there are none!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict_2002#April_.28death_toll:_30.29_.28excluding_Jenin_fatalities.29
seems to give objective information ... i wonder how it compares with the academic article mentioned above ( http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/net-report.html )?
06 Jul 06
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Originally posted by Peachyhttp://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=8792
Read this;
Then show me a link that states the opposite.
it seems b'tselm may not be such a respected source after all.
further i suggest that for Israel every casualty of any age is tragic and their information is published almost instantly and the media has easy access to figures names ages and photographs. Whereas i have trouble finding a list of palestinian casualties, probably because one terrorist isn't valued as an individual over any other. Further statistics of who was killed in a missile strike or artillery strike are harder to come by than similar information after a suicide bombing. The media reports what it has access to, if you think that i'm wrong find a link to a list of palestinian casualties.
Finally the media has biases in other areas of reporting that favor the palestinians, and anything they miss people like you more than make up for Freedom Fighters MY ASS, a guy who blows himself up isn't trying to earn his freedom or anyone else's.
06 Jul 06
Originally posted by DraxusBoth sides are wrong.
This study shows that the major news stations here in the US report that Israeli deaths (both adult and especially children) are much higher than Palestinian deaths while in "reality" 22 times more Palestinians than Israelis die in their little war.
It is written like a research paper, complete with references and all that jazz. The information is actuall ...[text shortened]... ould I believe the research that this site provides?
What side should I believe and why?
06 Jul 06
Originally posted by flexmorehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict#Israeli_actions_towards_Palestinians_and_other_Arab_groups
i just searched in wikipedia under "palestinian deaths"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialšearch?search=palestinian+deaths
it came with a detailed list of lists of israeli casualties.
there is no mention of any palestinian casualties ... so surely there are none!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict_2002#Apr ...[text shortened]... he academic article mentioned above ( http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/net-report.html )?
"Distortion of Victim Numbers
One study by an Israeli Counter Terrorism Institute analysed the circumstances of Israeli-Palestinian killings during the current Intifada (2000-to date), and concluded:
"Since the violence began ... around 1,450 Palestinians have been killed, compared to about 525 Israelis. Though on the surface the figures appear to indicate rampant Israeli violence against helpless Palestinian civilians, the figures actually "lump combatants in with noncombatants, suicide bombers with innocent civilians, and report Palestinian 'collaborators' murdered by their own compatriots as if they had been killed by Israel."
"More meaningful figures show that Israel is responsible for around 568 Palestinian noncombatant deaths, while Palestinians have killed more than 420 Israeli noncombatants," said the study. "Over 50% of the Palestinians killed were actively involved in fighting - and this does not include stone-throwers or 'unknowns.'"
Furthermore, researchers found that "Palestinians are directly responsible for the deaths of at least 185 of their own number - one out of every eight Palestinians killed" in the conflict thus far.
Don Radlauer, an associate researcher with ICT, said he and his colleagues did an in-depth statistical study of fatalities on both sides of the conflict to reach their conclusions. Researchers broke down fatalities in terms of age, sex and whether or not they were combatants.
Source: Worldnetdaily.com [7], a staunchly conservative website.
This study has been criticised for significant bias in its formulation. For example, the study classes as a "Combatant":
someone killed at a location and at a time during which an armed confrontation was going on, who appears most likely – but not certain – to have been an active participant in the fighting
Also classified in the "Combatant" group are:
people who knowingly took some action which would lead to increased danger, such as entering an area in which fighting was going on or which security officials had declared off-limits.
Such a definition enables civilian Palestinians to be counted as "Combatants" by virtue of their being within an area which was entered by Israeli soldiers. (The definitions referred to above may be found in the study's "Categorization" section
"
06 Jul 06
Originally posted by PeachyForget Media bias how about propaganda and skewing the facts.
Read this;
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/net-report.html
Then show me a link that states the opposite.
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Aftermath_of_a_Media_Storm.asp
for more examples check out the homepage
www.honestreporting.com