When Biden becomes president and every single SCOTUS pick he makes is accused of sexual misconduct from decades ago, what will liberals think then?
This is a dangerous precedent to set. Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot and don't know it yet. The precedent will not end because a liberal is in office.
@kazetnagorra saidThey'll think whee we can keep killing those babies.
When Biden becomes president and he turns out to be a cyborg from the planet Zorlax, what will liberals think then?
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@metal-brain saidWhat you say is only valid if you believe the accusations are false, and the accuser is only pretending as a ploy to stop Kavanaugh. If the sexual assault actually happened, then you're just being a dick, given there's plenty of credible evidence.
When Biden becomes president and every single SCOTUS pick he makes is accused of sexual misconduct from decades ago, what will liberals think then?
This is a dangerous precedent to set. Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot and don't know it yet. The precedent will not end because a liberal is in office.
Let's say Kavanaugh is voted against for SCOTUS. You know what will happen? Trump will simply pick another equally zealous conservative who will then be confirmed because Republicans have the numbers.
There's no shortage of Republican idealogues who think like Kavanaugh. Anti-abortion conservatives servile to Trump are every where. If Kavanaugh's too much of a scumbag to serve for SCOTUS, Trump can simply pick someone else. There's no reason it has to be this obsequious conservative zealot.
@vivify saidIn fact, the Federalist Society has a long list of right wing drone judges just as acceptable to Republicans as Kavanaugh.
What you say is only valid if you believe the accusations are false, and the accuser is only pretending as a ploy to stop Kavanaugh. If the sexual assault actually happened, then you're just being a dick, given there's plenty of credible evidence.
Let's say Kavanaugh is voted against for SCOTUS. You know what will happen? Trump will simply pick another equally zealous co ...[text shortened]... imply pick someone else. There's no reason it has to be this obsequious conservative zealot.
But it has become yet another dick measuring contest for the fanatics. Kavanaugh must be confirmed precisely because he acted like an intemperate, unprofessional, partisan hack last Thursday.
@sleepyguy saidYou really should give up on that dishonest spiel. If right wingers really thought abortion was "killing babies", they'd be supportive of the death penalty for women who had them. Did I miss that plank being added to the GOP platform? I recall when the Donald talked about the possibility of criminal sanctions against such women, antiabortion advocates fell over themselves in denying they supported such a thing.
They'll think whee we can keep killing those babies.
So you should either quit with the inflammatory rhetoric or forthrightly declare that if you get your way women who exercise their reproductive choice in a way you disapprove of will be eligible for a lethal injection.
You deliberately ignore the OTHER problems of Kavanaugh as SCOTUS.
One BIGGIE: Lying to the senate committee.
Another one: Temperament of a spoiled 15 yo.
Another: Aggressive behavior
In short, any one of these problems would be enough to can the appointment to that lifetime of SCOTUS in normal times.
Now, republicans REVEL in that kind of behavior. They WANT a world class assshole to be SCOTUS.
THAT will be the end of SCOTUS as an independent arm of the government, now owned by the republican party.
You remember that part the founding fathers laid out? Three separate branches of government for the express purpose of checks and balances?
Just exactly how is that going to happen when a zealot like K gets to be SCOTUS?
K should not be allowed to be county dog catcher much less a sitting judge on ANY court, not even as rival to Judge Judy.
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@no1marauder said+1. Say it louder for the people in the back.
You really should give up on that dishonest spiel. If right wingers really thought abortion was "killing babies", they'd be supportive of the death penalty for women who had them. Did I miss that plank being added to the GOP platform? I recall when the Donald talked about the possibility of criminal sanctions against such women, antiabortion advocates fell over themselve ...[text shortened]... ercise their reproductive choice in a way you disapprove of will be eligible for a lethal injection.
Edit: Not to mention the GOP's absurd refusal to adequately fund/support programs which could prevent unplanned pregnancies in the first place, let alone to adequately fund/support programs which--God forbid--might help children grow up and live healthy lives. It's the pro-birth party, not the pro-life party.
@metal-brain saidKind of like the precedent where it's now okay not to even hold hearings or vote on a sitting president's SCOTUS nominee?
This is a dangerous precedent to set.
Kind of like the precedent where it's now okay to confirm justices with 50+1 votes instead of 60?
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@no1marauder said
You really should give up on that dishonest spiel. If right wingers really thought abortion was "killing babies", they'd be supportive of the death penalty for women who had them. Did I miss that plank being added to the GOP platform? I recall when the Donald talked about the possibility of criminal sanctions against such women, antiabortion advocates fell over themselves in denying they supported such a thing.
So you should either quit with the inflammatory rhetoric or forthrightly declare that if you get your way women who exercise their reproductive choice in a way you disapprove of will be eligible for a lethal injection.
I will accept whatever punishment a jury decides.
@wittywonka saidNot only that but pro-lifers have one thing on their minds, saving fetuses. After they make a conquest, force a kid to have the baby, drop the mother like a hot rock and go on to the next conquest without regard for ANYTHING in the mom's life, raising a child as result of rape, known genetic issues, mom now 15 with a baby and no way of completing even HS much less college, but by GOD they saved a baby.
+1. Say it louder for the people in the back.
Edit: Not to mention the GOP's absurd refusal to adequately fund/support programs which could prevent unplanned pregnancies in the first place, let alone to adequately fund/support programs which--God forbid--might help children grow up and live healthy lives. It's the pro-birth party, not the pro-life party.
Such cynicism I have rarely witnessed before. We are living with exactly that right now, a former gf of one of our sons raising a child of rape. The ones forcing the 14 yo to have the baby now has disappeared from her life TOTALLY but by GOD, they got their baby to be born, to remind mom of the brutal kidnapping and rape where the perp is in jail to this day and shortly to get out of jail after 8 years and he is demanding partial custody so is trying to force his sick self back into her life even after all that.
Yessir a real win for the pro lifers.
Disgusting is what this whole thing is.
@wittywonka said"Kind of like the precedent where it's now okay not to even hold hearings or vote on a sitting president's SCOTUS nominee?"
Kind of like the precedent where it's now okay not to even hold hearings or vote on a sitting president's SCOTUS nominee?
Kind of like the precedent where it's now okay to confirm justices with 50+1 votes instead of 60?
Yes, exactly.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/23/us/politics/joe-biden-argued-for-delaying-supreme-court-picks-in-1992.html
This could evolve into a partisan war that is very ugly.
@sleepyguy saidGenerally in our legal system, juries don't decide punishment. And judges who do are constrained by the law in effect.
@no1marauder saidYou really should give up on that dishonest spiel. If right wingers really thought abortion was "killing babies", they'd be supportive of the death penalty for women who had them. Did I miss that plank being added to the GOP platform? I recall when the Donald talked about the possibility of criminal sanctions against such women, antiabortio ...[text shortened]... ill be eligible for a lethal injection.
I will accept whatever punishment a jury decides.
So the question is should a woman who gets an abortion be prosecuted under the same laws as any other "baby killer" in your and other right wingers' views? And if the answer to that question is "yes" shouldn't you and other right wingers be more forthright in declaring such a result will be inevitable and logical if Roe v. Wade is reversed?
@metal-brain saidDims don't rape people, only conservatives.
When Biden becomes president and every single SCOTUS pick he makes is accused of sexual misconduct from decades ago, what will liberals think then?
This is a dangerous precedent to set. Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot and don't know it yet. The precedent will not end because a liberal is in office.
Just ask Clearance Thomas.