Google up Quadro Corp sometime, you will see a list of sites that claims the Quadro tracking sytems is a big fruad.
My dad was a beta tester for them testing them in aircraft, since my dad is a pilot. Im not only convinced that this works, I know it does. Its a tracking devise that find that works kindve like a compass, but instead of using the earths magnetic fied, it uses the humans body's. and it works on static electricity, and when you put a DNA sample in the device, it tells you where its at, I think it complies with coolams (I forget how its spelled) law,
Its an amazing device, I used it myself, although if ones gonna look for drugs and gunpowder its really inaccurate because there lots around, that is maybe why a federal judge banned Quadro from selling it, cause they thought it was fraud
I think (Not positve) that UK courts ruled that it is scientificly proven to work
What you do is cut an ant in half, put both halves in 2 sepperate chips, and put one in the tracker, and it will find the other one, My dad also located missing humans although its really inaccurate because if one leaves hair, or skin cells, or uses the bathroom, it pick up all those locations as well.
I know this sounds crazy, but I seen it with my own eyes, My cousin made one with a coat hanger, and he showed some people and he almost got banned from his church because they thought he was into witchcraft lol, he had to burn it, although he made another one in secret.
When president Clinton came to yellowstone here, awhile back, there was secret service guys everywhere, My dad would find them and walk up to them and say, your a SS personal right? and they would go crazy, and ask how he knew. lol he used a gunpowder chip
I think somone should find Osama with it 😛
Originally posted by flyUnitySomething that works, works whether sceptics are around or not,
Google up Quadro Corp sometime, you will see a list of sites that claims the Quadro tracking sytems is a big fruad.
My dad was a beta tester for them testing them in aircraft, since my dad is a pilot. Im not only convinced that this works, I know it does. Its a tracking devise that find that works kindve like a compass, but instead of using the earths m ...[text shortened]... nd ask how he knew. lol he used a gunpowder chip
I think somone should find Osama with it 😛
claims that can be proven will win out. Apparently there have been
no such scientific proofs of this concept. A lot of people get taken in
by BS artists with an ax to grind, money to be made, etc..
Look at the moon landing hoaxes, they are so pathetic but people
buy this crap time and time again even after it has been totally
refuted. People are so gullible. If you think not, just look at
the "magicians" who fool you into thinking a plane just dissapeared.
Originally posted by sonhouseWell like I said, its not totaly accurate, and it dont work on allot of people for some reason, and its really complicated to work it, My dad has mastered it and has no trouble finding stuff, For myself, I have a hard time working it, and its not nearly as accurate when I try doing it,
Something that works, works whether sceptics are around or not,
claims that can be proven will win out. Apparently there have been
no such scientific proofs of this concept. A lot of people get taken in
by BS artists with an ax to grind ...[text shortened]... "magicians" who fool you into thinking a plane just dissapeared.
Our local law enforcement used it for a while, untill the courts banned it, and in Texes a helicoper found 10 acres of marijuna using it. So it has been proven to some people
Ever since its been banned by the courts, Quadro been working on building it totaly on machine, and buiding a magnetic field, so it wont have to rely on humans magnetic field, although the machines isnt nealy as accurate, but they are inproving it slowly
I do agree that people are really gullible into believing outrages claims and I dont expect people to believe this claim, cause it really sounds like like its fraud
Originally posted by sonhousehere is an excellent refutation of your claim that the moon landings were a hoax...
Something that works, works whether sceptics are around or not,
claims that can be proven will win out. Apparently there have been
no such scientific proofs of this concept. A lot of people get taken in
by BS artists with an ax to grind ...[text shortened]... "magicians" who fool you into thinking a plane just dissapeared.
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
(this one references the show that ran on Fox TV a few years ago, claiming the moon landings were a hoax).
Here's another good one.
http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm
The thing to keep in mind when going through these arguments is to remember that the moon is not the earth. When you look at things and events on the moon, things will look and behave differently due to such factors as a lack of an atmosphere, the lesser gravity and the fact that the surface is reflecting sunlight (as well as earthlight).
Anyway, the folks out there can judge for themselves...
One other thing to keep in mind is the fact that Russia, China, East Germany and other cold-war enemies of the USA closely monitored the lunar missions. It was easy to tell whether the Apollo radio signals were coming from the direction of the Moon, and whether the time delays in conversation matched the distance the signals had to travel. If anything had seemed wrong, surely these unfriendly countries would have loudly shouted to the world that the USA was pulling a hoax! Yet none of them ever questioned NASA's accomplishment. When even your enemy gives you credit for something, it's pretty convincing
There is also the issue of Moon rocks. Apollo astronauts brought 841 pounds of Moon rocks home to Earth, and scientists all over the world have been examining them for more than 30 years. They will tell you that there is no way these rocks could have been manufactured on earth. Faking moon rocks to fool scientists all over the world would be all but impossible (it's much easier just to go to the Moon and get them!).
It is actualy your hoax claims themselves which have been refuted.
Originally posted by TheBloopI think you misread sonhouse's post. He believes the moon landing hoaxes are BS, not the actual moon landings. He was pointing out how much people get taken in by all the BS and believe it to be a hoax.
here is an excellent refutation of your claim that the moon landings were a hoax...
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
(this one references the show that ran on Fox TV a few years ago, claiming the moon landings were ...[text shortened]... It is actualy your hoax claims themselves which have been refuted.
There are people who make so much money out of claiming it is a hoax that they continue to deny all the evidence to refute it.
One major factor is that the way things behave on the moon is completely different from Earth. Still the same physics, but the environment is totally different (no atmosphere, lower gravity etc.). Hoaxers compare physical behavior on earth with that on the moon and say it is not possible.
Originally posted by flyUnityYour cousin made a tracker with a coat hanger?
Google up Quadro Corp sometime, you will see a list of sites that claims the Quadro tracking sytems is a big fruad.
My dad was a beta tester for them testing them in aircraft, since my dad is a pilot. Im not only convinced that this works, I know it does. Its a tracking devise that find that works kindve like a compass, but instead of using the earths m ...[text shortened]... nd ask how he knew. lol he used a gunpowder chip
I think somone should find Osama with it 😛
Originally posted by lauseyThank you, I hope that sets the record straight. I worked at
I think you misread sonhouse's post. He believes the moon landing hoaxes are BS, not the actual moon landings. He was pointing out how much people get taken in by all the BS and believe it to be a hoax.
There are people who make so much money out of claiming it is a hoax that they continue to deny all the evidence to refute it.
One major factor is that ...[text shortened]... . Hoaxers compare physical behavior on earth with that on the moon and say it is not possible.
Goddard Space Flight Center during the apollo years and my job
was Apollo Timing and Tracking and I can guaruntee the moon
landings were not faked. I held a moon rock in my hand as a little
appreciation for my work and I can tell you flat out, it was as alien
a looking thing as could ever be imagined. Nobody around in the 60'
or 70's could have even come close to duplicating those rocks.
One of the things geologists later found was the water content
was about as close to zero as was capable of being.
Any faking would not have taken that into account and any faked
rocks would have by definition originated on earth and therefore
would have had ten percent or so water content locked up in the
mineralization. Zero water content cannot be faked or predicted from
the perspective of the mid twentieth century and you can believe if
the USSR or China smelled any hint of fakery they would have
like you said have been shouting it from every rooftop. The moon
hoaxers disgust me, making a name and money for themselves at
the cost of the reputations of true heros who gave their lives for that
unprecedented effort.
Originally posted by sonhouse
Thank you, I hope that sets the record straight. I worked at
Goddard Space Flight Center during the apollo years and my job
was Apollo Timing and Tracking and I can guaruntee the moon
landings were not faked. I held a moon rock in my hand as a little
appreciation for my work and I can tell you flat out, it was as alien
a looking thing as could ever be ...[text shortened]...
the cost of the reputations of true heros who gave their lives for that
unprecedented effort.
Not to mention that astronomers since the moon landings have been measuring the distance of the moon by reflecting laser beams off a mirror that has been placed there.
No moon lander at the time could have placed it with such precision as a human can.
As for moon rocks or other rocks from space. Hoaxers claim they are from meteorites that have landed here, but this can also be refuted. Meteorites have the characteristics of being burned and oxidised from passing through the atmosphere at high speed. These are at conditions that can not be simulated on earth.
Here is another great site which refutes the moon hoaxes: http://www.clavius.org/
Just the link labelled "Problems of Scale" should be enough to refute the hoaxers by just using just pure common sense. Nevermind the other evidence on the site.
Originally posted by flyUnityWhoa whoa whoa. Hold up dere pardner. Go back to the part where you "cut an ant in half"?
What you do is cut an ant in half, put both halves in 2 sepperate chips, and put one in the tracker, and it will find the other one, My dad also located missing humans although its really inaccurate because if one leaves hair, or skin cells, or uses the bathroom, it pick up all those locations as well.
What the...???
Its basically modern day dowsing, Its pretty funny that they managed to sell them to the FBI at ridiculous prices.
Anyway dowsing is supposed to be an more of an intuitional type of skill. The Rod or Pendulum is only used as and indicator to exaggerate the minor moments in the hand supposedly cause by whatever it is you are looking for. It is said that a good dowser is sensitive enough not to need a rod or pendulum.
I did some simple dowsing experiments once, which although the result were inconclusive, you might want to have a try yourself.
Basically you take 10 cards mix them up behind your back lay them out on the table in front of you face down & try to find one of the cards using the pendulum or rod (you only get one attempt each go). Do it 30 times and keep a note how many times you find the right card (i.e you pre-nominate one of the ten cards, as the one that you are looking for).
The very first time I try it, I picked the right card 10 times out 30, or 33%. Maybe just a fluke, or perhaps the card was marked in a rather subtle way that only my subconcious could detect it. Every other time that I did it since, I've only scored 2, 3 or 4 times, roughly 10% which is what statistically it should be.
Originally posted by sonhousePlease accept my apology...I think I did misread your post... I did think you were implying that the moon landings themselves were faked...
Thank you, I hope that sets the record straight. I worked at
Goddard Space Flight Center during the apollo years and my job
was Apollo Timing and Tracking and I can guaruntee the moon
landings were not faked. I held a moon rock in my h ...[text shortened]... of true heros who gave their lives for that
unprecedented effort.
Had you seen either of the two web sites I referred you to? I remember seeing the Fox special a few years back, and then found that one site that basically tackles everything the TV special said... seems like an excellent site to me...
That's awesome that you actually worked at the Goddard Space Flight Center...what an amazing feeling that must have been to have actually been a part of all of that...
Thanks for your part in those missions...what an incredible accomplishment!
And that's just too funny...here I am, directing a former Goddard Space Flight Center worker to a couple of web sites to (hopefully) convince him that the moon landings were real! Too much...too, too much!
I think I'll say good night!
Originally posted by lauseyfirst off, thanks for pointing out the error in my reading the post...
One major factor is that the way things behave on the moon is completely different from Earth. Still the same physics, but the environment is totally different (no atmosphere, lower gravity etc.). Hoaxers compare physical behavior on earth with that on the moon and say it is not possible.
You're absolutely correct about things being so different on the moon... one thing that struck me about the refutation of the FOX special was pointing out how nearly impossible it is to judge distances on the surface of the moon due to a lack of atmosphere, therefore a lack of 'haze', which can indicate distance...
One video I saw on that web site was amazing... it showed an astronaut appearing to be standing next to a relatively small boulder...in fact, the 'small boulder' was several hundred feet away in the background, and the astronaut made his way over there, and it turned out the boulder was the size of a house, completely dwarfing the astronaut... but because there was no 'haze' to indicate distance, you couldn't even tell that the boulder was a couple of hundred feet behind the astronaut. It initially just looked like a fairly large rock that was smaller than the astronaut, and was right next to him... Incredible stuff...
