08 Mar 08
But the Court of Cassation found that having a lover was a circumstance that damaged the honour of the person among family and friends.
Lying about it, therefore, was permitted, even in a judicial investigation.
It is not yet clear whether the ruling might also apply to men who have secret mistresses.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7284134.stm
08 Mar 08
Originally posted by SeitseAlso, if the lover is in another zip code then technically it isn't cheating.
But the Court of Cassation found that having a lover was a circumstance that damaged the honour of the person among family and friends.
Lying about it, therefore, was permitted, even in a judicial investigation.
It is not yet clear whether the ruling might also apply to men who have secret mistresses.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7284134.stm
08 Mar 08
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Originally posted by SeitseI have a far different sense of honor. Pay your debts and work hard. BE HONEST WITH YOUR HUSBAND/WIFE. Get action on the side only if the spouse ok's it.
But the Court of Cassation found that having a lover was a circumstance that damaged the honour of the person among family and friends.
Lying about it, therefore, was permitted, even in a judicial investigation.
It is not yet clear whether the ruling might also apply to men who have secret mistresses.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7284134.stm
It seems like many people in Mediterranean and Middle Eastern communities have this idea that "honor" is really "reputation" and "lack of public shaming", which is silly.
08 Mar 08
Originally posted by Seitse"The Court of Cassation, which is largely staffed by elderly male appeal judges, has in the past issued a number of controversial judgements."
But the Court of Cassation found that having a lover was a circumstance that damaged the honour of the person among family and friends.
Lying about it, therefore, was permitted, even in a judicial investigation.
It is not yet clear whether the ruling might also apply to men who have secret mistresses.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7284134.stm
Senile may be the operative word, not elderly.
13 Mar 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungsaying that other people's idea of honour is silly, is silly.
I have a far different sense of honor. Pay your debts and work hard. BE HONEST WITH YOUR HUSBAND/WIFE. Get action on the side only if the spouse ok's it.
It seems like many people in Mediterranean and Middle Eastern communities have this idea that "honor" is really "reputation" and "lack of public shaming", which is silly.
13 Mar 08
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Originally posted by mbakuninI'm sorry. I wasn't aware that you considered murdering your own daughter because she was raped - "honor killings" - honorable. What's wrong with you?
saying that other people's idea of honour is silly, is silly.
Just because someone uses the word "honor" does not mean they are using it correctly.
15 Mar 08
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different cultures have different codes and systems of honor, making it a far too complex issue for your oversimplifications.
all things being relative, especially things like honor, unless you're born into a system, you cannot understand it, ever. and if you can't understand it, you can't judge it.
15 Mar 08
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Originally posted by mbakuninI can and will judge, I am prepared to stand and be judged.
different cultures have different codes and systems of honor, making it a far too complex issue for your oversimplifications.
all things being relative, especially things like honor, unless you're born into a system, you cannot understand it, ever. and if you can't understand it, you can't judge it.
One adopts one's culture. ATY got it right. How can you have honor without integrity, and integrity without honesty. One can only guess that the translation from Italian has been mistaken.
16 Mar 08
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Originally posted by mbakuninSo you judge nobody but the people of the "system" you were born into?
different cultures have different codes and systems of honor, making it a far too complex issue for your oversimplifications.
all things being relative, especially things like honor, unless you're born into a system, you cannot understand it, ever. and if you can't understand it, you can't judge it.
You're judging me right now as someone who cannot understand the Italian idea of honor! Are you from Los Angeles?
Maybe "honour" is something different than "honor". The "honour" of the knight in shining armor was more to protect his reputation than to protect the weak, is that it? That's what it means to be a European with "honour"? Not that you can be trusted, not that you're a good person...
But that if I insult your momma you'll hit me. That's "honour" to you?
It seems like integrity and honesty aren't required to be "honourable" over there. You just have to be good at lying and hiding your crimes to maintain "honour".
17 Mar 08
Originally posted by AThousandYounghonor: american english
So you judge nobody but the people of the "system" you were born into?
You're judging me right now as someone who cannot understand the Italian idea of honor! Are you from Los Angeles?
Maybe "honour" is something different than "honor". The "honour" of the knight in shining armor was more to protect his reputation than to protect the weak, is t ...[text shortened]... just have to be good at lying and hiding your crimes to maintain "honour".
honour: british english
i understand that there is such a thing as cultural difference. if some custom should seem strange to me, that doesn't mean that it's wrong.
but about the "honour-killings". these are acts of insane people. it has nothing to do with their culture or ideas of honour. much like the east-african "custom" of female circumcision.