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07 Jun 07
07 Jun 07
Let's give nations a Machoness value from 1-10. This measures the "toughness", "fighting spirit" etc of the nation. It's about attitude, not technology.
The French as seen from a stereotypical American conservative perspective would have a 1. I'm not saying they ARE a 1, but that gives you a reference point. Israel and Iran might be 10s (or maybe not; you tell me).
I'll give my country, the USA, an 8.
08 Jun 07
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungLet's see: the French Revolution--the people taking on the system; fighting alone against the whole of Europe after that; skip to World War One: Verdun...World War 2: the Free French and the maquis...(won't dwell on Vietnam or other disgraceful colonial affairs)...and lately, telling the USA to stuff off...a country that lets itself get pushed around?
The French as seen from a stereotypical American conservative perspective would have a 1.
08 Jun 07
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI think surrendering in like 6 weeks was a pretty weak response. That qualifies as getting pushed around. As for the French resistance, we can't give them credit for that without also giving the British credit for their part in helping the French Resistance. That and there was as many French that helped the Nazi as there was that resisted.
Let's see: the French Revolution--the people taking on the system; fighting alone against the whole of Europe after that; skip to World War One: Verdun...World War 2: the Free French and the maquis...(won't dwell on Vietnam or other disgraceful colonial affairs)...and lately, telling the USA to stuff off...a country that lets itself get pushed around?
08 Jun 07
Originally posted by MerkExcept De Gaulle didn't surrender and carried on fighting. So, the incumbent government was rubbish, but you can't extend the criticism to all the French. Like Chamberlain got pushed around in Munich, Churchill didn't.
I think surrendering in like 6 weeks was a pretty weak response.
There were Nazi sympathisers in every occupied country. I'll bet there were royalists among the yankees in revolutionary times too.
08 Jun 07
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI'm sorry. France surrendered. France got pushed around.
Except De Gaulle didn't surrender and carried on fighting. So, the incumbent government was rubbish, but you can't extend the criticism to all the French. Like Chamberlain got pushed around in Munich, Churchill didn't.
There were Nazi sympathisers in every occupied country. I'll bet there were royalists among the yankees in revolutionary times too.
There was once a time when France could rightfully call itself brave.
08 Jun 07
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Originally posted by Bosse de NagePffff....De Gaulle. The entire French nation took to German occupation like a duck to water and happily collaberated with them. Then, after they were liberated, EVERY FRENCHAN over the age of 12 was suddenly a member of "le resistance' and had been a undercover freedom fighter, while they bravely shaved the heads of women that consorted with German soldiers.
Except De Gaulle didn't surrender and carried on fighting. So, the incumbent government was rubbish, but you can't extend the criticism to all the French. Like Chamberlain got pushed around in Munich, Churchill didn't.
There were Nazi sympathisers in every occupied country. I'll bet there were royalists among the yankees in revolutionary times too.
But they let Maurice Chevalier and other entertainers off the hook alright. He entertained German troops all through the occupation.
As far as English loyalists in the American revolution, yes, in fact a majority of the colonists remained loyal to England during the revolutionary war, a little known fact. It's a miracle they succeded.
08 Jun 07
Originally posted by Sam The ShamAre you going to make some kind of crack that he was also a latent pedophile what with that song about thanking heaven for little girls and all that?
Pffff....De Gaulle. The entire French nation took to German occupation like a duck to water and happily collaberated with them. Then, after they were liberated, EVERY FRENCHAN over the age of 12 was suddenly a member of "le resistance' and had been a undercover freedom fighter, while they bravely shaved the heads of women that consorted with German sold ...[text shortened]... r entertainers off the hook alright. He entertained German troops all through the occupation.
08 Jun 07
Originally posted by AThousandYoungMexico 10 out of 10
Let's give nations a Machoness value from 1-10. This measures the "toughness", "fighting spirit" etc of the nation. It's about attitude, not technology.
The French as seen from a stereotypical American conservative perspective would have a 1. I'm not saying they ARE a 1, but that gives you a reference point. Israel and Iran might be 10s (or maybe not; you tell me).
I'll give my country, the USA, an 8.
We coined the term 😉
08 Jun 07
Originally posted by kmax87tee-hee....reminds me of an old Saturday Night Live skit where they parodied Chevalier, where prisoners did a talent show:
Are you going to make some kind of crack that he was also a latent pedophile what with that song about thanking heaven for little girls and all that?
Thank heaven, for little girls, for little girls turn into 10 year olds someday:
And wear zee pretty pink panties, and walk down zee lonely alleys,
Then one of them them jumped on a cameraman