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    09 Mar '16 22:241 edit
    I was a SAC crewman on a B-52 crew (Navigator/EWO) on nuclear alert when this movie came out and we got to watch this particular scene, when it came up , everyone in the break room went nuts and applauded, laughed, whooped it up and high fived each other.
    Good times.
    YouTube
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    10 Mar '16 03:46
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    I was a SAC crewman on a B-52 crew (Navigator/EWO) on nuclear alert when this movie came out and we got to watch this particular scene, when it came up , everyone in the break room went nuts and applauded, laughed, whooped it up and high fived each other.
    Good times.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj9M34DzAKo
    I thought you were a useless scum bag but you have gone down in my estimation.
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    10 Mar '16 12:552 edits
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    I thought you were a useless scum bag but you have gone down in my estimation.
    Well then this will really convince you, wolfgang, when the TV movie "The Wave" came out about a high school with a secret uber-right wing club that took over the social scene at school and they identified themselves with a secret sign which was a clenched fist bump to the chest followed by a outstretched arm like a fascist salute, a lot of us young lieutenants and junior captains saluted each other with it and shouted "THE WAVE! " when passing each other in the hallway .
    I miss those days.
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    10 Mar '16 13:20
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Well then this will really convince you, wolfgang, when the TV movie "The Wave" came out about a high school with a secret uber-right wing club that took over the social scene at school and they identified themselves with a secret sign which was a clenched fist bump to the chest followed by a outstretched arm like a fascist salute, a lot of us young lieu ...[text shortened]... with it and shouted "THE WAVE! " when passing each other in the hallway .
    I miss those days.
    The Wave was all about the danger of extremism and exclusive politics and the Wave turned out to be a social experiment by the teacher to demonstrate how extremism could prevail in an otherwise "normal" environment.

    You could hardly have enjoyed the ending where the very much anti-Nazi message was revealed.
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    10 Mar '16 13:43
    Originally posted by sh76
    The Wave was all about the danger of extremism and exclusive politics and the Wave turned out to be a social experiment by the teacher to demonstrate how extremism could prevail in an otherwise "normal" environment.

    You could hardly have enjoyed the ending where the very much anti-Nazi message was revealed.
    Yeah it was based on a real incident.
    Still dug giving each other The Wave.
    Most military people are pretty far to the right.
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    10 Mar '16 13:47
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Yeah it was based on a real incident.
    Still dug giving each other The Wave.
    Most military people are pretty far to the right.
    face palm...

    That's not "the right" you blithering idiot.
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    10 Mar '16 13:491 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    face palm...

    That's not "the right" you blithering idiot.
    Would you call it the left?
    You must have a different definition of right and left.
    Or you are very stupid.
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    10 Mar '16 14:44
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Would you call it the left?
    You must have a different definition of right and left.
    Or you are very stupid.
    It's authoritarianism. "Right" generally denotes free-market capitalism more than authoritarianism.
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    10 Mar '16 14:582 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    It's authoritarianism. "Right" generally denotes free-market capitalism more than authoritarianism.
    Back again to the right vs. left argument. Does anyone want to dispute that Soviet communism was/is authoritarian and leftist. In reality and fact there are more reasons why egalitarian government schemes must be more authoritarian. If people wanted to share equally then governments would not be necessary, nor would redistribution schemes.
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    10 Mar '16 16:161 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Back again to the right vs. left argument. Does anyone want to dispute that Soviet communism was/is authoritarian and leftist. In reality and fact there are more reasons why egalitarian government schemes must be more authoritarian. If people wanted to share equally then governments would not be necessary, nor would redistribution schemes.
    It was authoritarian and it was leftist, but those two things don't necessarily have anything to do with each other, though it's probably true that to enforce Soviet-style communism, you need to be authoritarian.
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    10 Mar '16 16:212 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    It was authoritarian and it was leftist, but those two things don't necessarily have anything to do with each other, though it's probably true that to enforce Soviet-style communism, you need to be authoritarian.
    But we think of fascism as being sooper-dooper weirded out right wing, correct?
    (Although it seems like today it is the libtards that are the real fascist control freaks that don't allow any opinions contrary to their own)
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    10 Mar '16 16:25
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    But we think of fascism as being sooper-dooper weirded out right wing, correct?
    Incorrect. Fascism is extreme socialism plus nationalism.
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    10 Mar '16 16:28
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Incorrect. Fascism is extreme socialism plus nationalism.
    In reality, as I've already argued, an extreme form of leftism, not the opposite of socialism. It is just a more muscular version of the same thing.
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    10 Mar '16 16:292 edits
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

    Far-right politics are right-wing politics to the right of the mainstream centre right on the traditional left-right spectrum. They often involve a focus on tradition as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. They often have a disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism. The term is commonly used to describe Nazism,[1] neo-Nazism, Fascism, neo-Fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, or reactionary views

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

    Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, fascism originated in Italy during World War I, in opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism. Fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.

    ...The descriptions neo-fascist or post-fascist are sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th century fascist movements.
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    10 Mar '16 16:302 edits
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Incorrect. Fascism is extreme socialism plus nationalism.
    This got me to rethink a bit so I looked it up, indeed there is a disagreement about whether fascism is right or left. I found this, among other definitions, etc.
    "Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who drew upon left-wing and right-wing political views. Some scholars consider fascism to be right-wing because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism."

    Then opposing views consider it left-wing .
    But the people that do that are all fags.
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