"The NHS is a precious thing. Try being ill in the US if you don’t believe this"

@wolfgang59 said
But the reality of it is that a healthcare system like the UK's NHS will SAVE
the US money, reduce waste, reduce bureaucracy, reduce legal fees!

The downside? Less choice and waiting lists.
Small price to pay and anyone can still pay for private treatment if they so wish.

I met a guy from the UK who moved to the US a decade ago because his child was not diagnosed correctly, and once diagnosed in the system he said there was great reluctance to correct the diagnoses. And if anything were to go wrong, such as an incorrect diagnoses, there was virtually no legal recourse.

So he came to the US and got adequate health care like he needed and never looked back.

Yes, it's nice to have options when you get the dirty end of the stick.

@whodey said
I met a guy from the UK who moved to the US a decade ago because his child was not diagnosed correctly, and once diagnosed in the system he said there was great reluctance to correct the diagnoses. And if anything were to go wrong, such as an incorrect diagnoses, there was virtually no legal recourse.

So he came to the US and got adequate health care like he needed and never looked back.

Yes, it's nice to have options when you get the dirty end of the stick.

The problem with your fictional story is that your made-up guy could have easily gotten a second opinion and/or private health care in the U.K.

@whodey said
But I thought Obamacare was suppose to fix everything.

What went wrong?

Were we lied to? And if so, are we to trust those same voices today that demand NHC, that sold us Obamacare yesterday?

The most frightening aspect of government run health care is, once they have control we will never get it back. And once they have control, we lose control with no one to compla ...[text shortened]... s, conservatives may be faced with being denied those heart bypass procedures in the future as well.

There you go with your fear about government control again ?
Your entire viewpoint on just about everything is driven by your fear on big bad government.

@kazetnagorra said
Being on Medicare doesn't prevent seeking private treatment, does it? So why would Medicare-for-all be any different?

Because through taxation your ability to seek your own medical care is reduced.

Factor in those that contribute little but are absolutely reckless with their health and it takes another knock

@mghrn55 said
There you go with your fear about government control again ?
Your entire viewpoint on just about everything is driven by your fear on big bad government.

If you wanted to treat goobermint as say tobacco products or alcohol, it should come with warning labels, nothing comes close to goobermints for murdering, torturing, starving, millions of people. Total up all the deaths from drinking, drugs, smoking speeding drivers, guns, knives, hammers, dangerous sports and the you wouldn't make a dent in goobermints record for ending peoples lives prematurely.

A fear of big bad goobermint is reasonable.
A desire for small good Government is warranted.

@whodey said
I met a guy from the UK who moved to the US a decade ago

Nice story ... now back to the facts.

@wajoma said
Because through taxation your ability to seek your own medical care is reduced.

Factor in those that contribute little but are absolutely reckless with their health and it takes another knock

And those ideas are based on .... what exactly?

@wolfgang59 said
And those ideas are based on .... what exactly?

Ewe'd like to argue the opposite?

That people who are reckless with their health (fat, lazy, heavy drinkers, abusing drugs, 60 a day smokers, promiscuous sex with no protection, engage in other dangerous activities and sports) require less healthcare. That abusing your health in this way actually, in wolfgangs dream feelings, are more healthy than people who take regular exercise and eat healthily?

Is that ewe're position? wolfgang logic 🙄

@wajoma said
Because through taxation your ability to seek your own medical care is reduced.

Factor in those that contribute little but are absolutely reckless with their health and it takes another knock

We should base policies on optimizing the common good, not on spite and envy.

@kazetnagorra said
We should base policies on optimizing the common good, not on spite and envy.

Not sure who it is you think I'm envious of.

@wajoma said
Not sure who it is you think I'm envious of.

Most decent people.

@wajoma said
Ewe'd like to argue the opposite?

You make grand statements, they deserve to be supported by facts.

@wolfgang59 said
You make grand statements, they deserve to be supported by facts.

So you do think people who live unhealthy lifestyles require less healthcare?

Haha, I was joking but you're actually serious. wolfgang thinks that those who abuse their health are more healthy.

@wajoma said
That abusing your health in this way actually, in wolfgangs dream feelings, are more healthy than people who take regular exercise and eat healthily?

Is that ewe're position?

no

@wolfgang59 said
no

So Ewe agree with my statement: People who abuse their health and are reckless with their health require greater healthcare.