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  1. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    23 May '13 19:54
    From the President's speech today:

    "“We must define our effort not as a boundless 'global war on terror' - but rather as a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists that threaten America."

    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18448515-obama-reframes-counterterrorism-policy-with-new-rules-on-drones?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1


    Obviously that is progress, but will there be substantive changes in policy? Let's hope so.
  2. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    23 May '13 19:55
    I thought President Dubya won the WoT in his F-18 I seen it on the news
  3. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    23 May '13 20:12 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    From the President's speech today:

    "“We must define our effort not as a boundless 'global war on terror' - but rather as a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists that threaten America."

    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18448515-obama-reframes-counterterrorism-policy-with- ...[text shortened]... bviously that is progress, but will there be substantive changes in policy? Let's hope so.
    Was Obama's speech part of a joint statement by the leaders of Al Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah that they would also no longer attack America and Americans?

    This is what I don't understand. Obama tells the bad guys they can relax, and people over here think that's a good thing.

    EDIT: The real reason He's doing this is so He can focus on His true enemies: conservatives.
  4. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    23 May '13 20:15
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Was Obama's speech part of a joint statement by the leaders of Al Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah that they would also no longer attack America and Americans?

    This is what I don't understand. Obama tells the bad guys they can relax, and people over here think that's a good thing.

    EDIT: The real reason He's doing this is so he can focus on the true enemy: conservatives.
    Hamas and Hezbollah?!
  5. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    23 May '13 20:21
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Was Obama's speech part of a joint statement by the leaders of Al Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah that they would also no longer attack America and Americans?

    This is what I don't understand. Obama tells the bad guys they can relax, and people over here think that's a good thing.

    EDIT: The real reason He's doing this is so He can focus on His true enemies: conservatives.
    "a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists that threaten America."

    Yeah sounds like the "bad guys" can take a coffee break.

    When was the last time that Hamas or Hezbollah attacked America?
  6. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    23 May '13 23:26
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Was Obama's speech part of a joint statement by the leaders of Al Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah that they would also no longer attack America and Americans?

    This is what I don't understand. Obama tells the bad guys they can relax, and people over here think that's a good thing.

    EDIT: The real reason He's doing this is so He can focus on His true enemies: conservatives.
    I think it's a good thing...
  7. 24 May '13 00:37
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Was Obama's speech part of a joint statement by the leaders of Al Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah that they would also no longer attack America and Americans?

    This is what I don't understand. Obama tells the bad guys they can relax, and people over here think that's a good thing.

    EDIT: The real reason He's doing this is so He can focus on His true enemies: conservatives.
    Ask the CIA. They can tell ya.
  8. 24 May '13 01:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    From the President's speech today:

    "“We must define our effort not as a boundless 'global war on terror' - but rather as a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists that threaten America."

    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18448515-obama-reframes-counterterrorism-policy-with- ...[text shortened]... bviously that is progress, but will there be substantive changes in policy? Let's hope so.
    As is usual with all Presidents, the words carry little substance. They are well chosen to please his base, and not offend others too much. Policy probably won't change much.
  9. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    24 May '13 01:15
    Originally posted by bill718
    I think it's a good thing...
    There have been at least four successful terror attacks by Muslim extremists on US soil or against sovereign US interests since Obama took office. The Fort Hood shooting, the attack on a recruiting station by a radical Muslim, Benghazi, and Boston. I don't think, a month after a terror attack on a major American sporting event and a day after a grisly terror attack in London, this is the time to signal to our enemies that we're going to stop applying pressure in any way.
  10. 24 May '13 01:25
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    "a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists that threaten America."

    Yeah sounds like the "bad guys" can take a coffee break.

    When was the last time that Hamas or Hezbollah attacked America?
    Name one terrorist organization that the IRS has gone after.
  11. 24 May '13 17:58
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    From the President's speech today:

    "“We must define our effort not as a boundless 'global war on terror' - but rather as a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists that threaten America."

    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18448515-obama-reframes-counterterrorism-policy-with- ...[text shortened]... bviously that is progress, but will there be substantive changes in policy? Let's hope so.
    lol

    Obviously this is a delusional president. The war on terror is over. We are not at war with Islamic terrorists. They kill us, but we are not at war with them. They continue to kill us, but we can ignore that fact and declare some sort of moral victory.

    People like you are pathetic for believing this stuff.

    Lol!
  12. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    24 May '13 19:14 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    lol

    Obviously this is a delusional president. The war on terror is over. We are not at war with Islamic terrorists. They kill us, but we are not at war with them. They continue to kill us, but we can ignore that fact and declare some sort of moral victory.

    People like you are pathetic for believing this stuff.

    Lol!
    People like you are pathetic idiots who can't read.

    Saying "we are at war" with people like the Boston bombers is turning criminals into soldiers.
  13. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    24 May '13 20:30
    Obama quoted a famous comment by James Madison about perpetual war; the whole paragraph from his pamphlet "War and Republicanism" by JM is worth pondering:

    Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=LEGsSzET62YC&pg=PA235&dq=Political+Observations,+Apr.+20,+1795&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vXieUYGoJ4PDigLkhYHIAw&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Political%20Observations%2C%20Apr.%2020%2C%201795&f=false
  14. 25 May '13 16:29
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    People like you are pathetic idiots who can't read.

    Saying "we are at war" with people like the Boston bombers is turning criminals into soldiers.
    Just because you intentionally let populations with a high number of people are war with you into your country does not make these people simply criminals. These people are war criminals. They have declared war on us. This is why they do what they do. Simply because your worldview is so simplistic that you can't understand the concept of a crusade/jihad, that doesn't mean it does not exist.

    Having said that, I suppose that does explain why you are so blind.
  15. 26 May '13 08:32
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    From the President's speech today:

    "“We must define our effort not as a boundless 'global war on terror' - but rather as a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists that threaten America."

    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18448515-obama-reframes-counterterrorism-policy-with- ...[text shortened]... bviously that is progress, but will there be substantive changes in policy? Let's hope so.
    Indeed. Some honest daylight between tactical intervention to root out terrorism and broadly trying to steal someone's natural resources, would certainly bring clarity of purpose and maybe save some money for domestic US healthcare strategies.