I hate to get on the Bush admin. one more time, but what is this deal with the Libby pardon? I mean, their only line of defense which they repeat over and over is that 'Cliniton pardoned people, too -- even more than us.'
No, Mr. Bush, that's NOT the issue. And your defense shows the same level of maturity of my 8 year old:
Me: "Did you leave your pajamas on the floor."
Him: "Well SISTER always leaves HER pajames on the floor! Why are you always yelling at ME!"
If a nation asks it's President, "Why did you take this and such questionable and indefensible action," don't we deserve a better answer than:
"Well, shoot, ALL American Presidents take questionable and indefensible actions -- so there!"
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Folks, if the Dems and Reps are getting into this kind of slanging -- each one abandoning morality with the only excuse that "the other side does it, too," then We the People have a serious problem and a very serious duty. There is only one way to correct that situation -- and that is to vote neither Democrat nor Republican in the next election.
In fact, I would say that -- given that both parties seem to be in race to the bottom of the morality barrel -- the only way to 'throw your vote away' is to vote Democrat or Republican. So vote Christian, Right-winger, Progressive, Libertarian, Communist, Green -- any party with integrity that lines up more or less with your views.
The Dems and Reps have forgotten that there is NO voice stronger that Ours. We need to speak and be heard. A message needs to be sent.
2008 is the year to send it. Spread the word.
Originally posted by spruce112358Can't we just have another Constitutional Convention?
I hate to get on the Bush admin. one more time, but what is this deal with the Libby pardon? I mean, their only line of defense which they repeat over and over is that 'Cliniton pardoned people, too -- even more than us.'
No, Mr. Bush, that's NOT the issue. And your defense shows the same level of maturity of my 8 year old:
Me: "Did you leave your ...[text shortened]... d. A message needs to be sent.
2008 is the year to send it. Spread the word.
Originally posted by spruce112358i thot it wasn't "them, too", but: "they fully pardoned a drug dealer who's wife happened to be a multi-million contributor to the Democratic party, whereas we partially pardoned a loyal staffer who got Nifonged."
I hate to get on the Bush admin. one more time, but what is this deal with the Libby pardon? I mean, their only line of defense which they repeat over and over is that 'Cliniton pardoned people, too -- even more than us.'
No, Mr. Bush, that's NOT the issue. And your defense shows the same level of maturity of my 8 year old:
Me: "Did you leave your ...[text shortened]... d. A message needs to be sent.
2008 is the year to send it. Spread the word.
Originally posted by spruce112358Didn't he say first and foremost the commutted sentence (not pardon) was done because the punishment was excessive?
I hate to get on the Bush admin. one more time, but what is this deal with the Libby pardon? I mean, their only line of defense which they repeat over and over is that 'Cliniton pardoned people, too -- even more than us.'
No, Mr. Bush, that's NOT the issue. And your defense shows the same level of maturity of my 8 year old:
Me: "Did you leave your ...[text shortened]... d. A message needs to be sent.
2008 is the year to send it. Spread the word.
In other words, just because some can only recall him saying "Clinton did it too", that does not mean that is all he said, nor the first thing he said.
Hey, I fully agree we need to hold our politicians more accountable, but wouldn't it be beneficial to that end if we elevated public dialog on political matters?
The whole thing was a 'show trial ' anyway to appease the left wing base of the Democratic party and the Moveon.org types. As my sister (who works for the NSA - No such Agency) says, whats the big deal ?
Any foreign agent could verify she worked for the CIA by folling her to work everyday as she drove to Langley.
Originally posted by techsouthdid he say "clinton did it too?"
Didn't he say first and foremost the commutted sentence (not pardon) was done because the punishment was excessive?
In other words, just because some can only recall him saying "Clinton did it too", that does not mean that is all he said, nor the first thing he said.
Hey, I fully agree we need to hold our politicians more accountable, but wouldn't it be beneficial to that end if we elevated public dialog on political matters?
Originally posted by zeeblebotNot sure where you're coming from.
did he say "clinton did it too?"
Are you challenging the precise wording or whether or not the topic even came up from Bush?
Regardless, the premise that Bush is saying these things is contained in the post I am responding to and is not something I brought into the discussion.
Originally posted by spruce112358As admirable as your post is, and I do agree that voting either standard color jacket into the White House doesn't really address the issue, the issue in my book is, that with globalization and the rise and continued rise pf power vested in corporations and transnational/multinational/GreatBloodyBigInternationalisedPtyLtdCompanies means that the voice of democracy in any country that sill holds the ideal dear has had the spirit of that enobled enlightened notion steadily eroded, as these leviathan economic entities have done their best to equally support either side, making sure that regardless of which party wins favour, they are still being owed favours.
Folks, if the Dems and Reps are getting into this kind of slanging -- each one abandoning morality with the only excuse that "the other side does it, too," then We the People have a serious problem and a very serious duty. There is only one way to correct that situation -- and that is to vote neither Democrat nor Republican in the next election.
For democracy truly to flourish again requires an event similar to the Boston Tea Party, but honestly for the life of me, how exactly would you stage it, where would you stage it, and considering the appetite of News services for new information, how long would it keep anyones interest for any groundswell/grassroots movement to spring up and keep the faith so to speak.
In some ways Capitalism, by being the strongest horse of human endeavour, has in a way democratically exerted its right in the from of the incorporated entity, to have become by a process of natural selection to be the preferred model for our global market in the 21st century and has democratically elected themselves to be now more powerful and above the selfish interests of mere nation states.
Short of an apocalypse I say bye bye baby democracy bye bye.
Therefore if you in the USA complain about the lack of choice and the similarity amongst the candidature at any given election, then it is a complaint echoed here in Australia as I am sure it would be echoed right around the world.
Originally posted by zeeblebotIn addition to his brother and two cabinent members, but Bush is still a cronyist and the Libby sentence reduction was far far worse.
i thot it wasn't "them, too", but: "they fully pardoned a drug dealer who's wife happened to be a multi-million contributor to the Democratic party, whereas we partially pardoned a loyal staffer who got Nifonged."
Originally posted by kmax87Do people even read your posts anymore?
As admirable as your post is, and I do agree that voting either standard color jacket into the White House doesn't really address the issue, the issue in my book is, that with globalization and the rise and continued rise pf power vested in corporations and transnational/multinational/GreatBloodyBigInternationalisedPtyLtdCompanies means that the voice of demo ...[text shortened]... is a complaint echoed here in Australia as I am sure it would be echoed right around the world.