12 Aug 09
Rather than call them unAmerican or telling them to shut up and get out of the way, the Dem leadership might want to look at the example of Claire McCaskill and Arlen Specter, Criticize some of the tactics, but show some respect for the people behind the tactics.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_protests
12 Aug 09
Spot on. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing and nothing wrong with voicing one's opinion. But when meetings to discuss the proposals are hijacked by people who are more interested in screaming abuse and drowning out speakers, the protestors do themselves and their arguments a disservice.
Now, if only we could have another memo leaked from some of the people organising this deliberate disruption saying 'actually, guys, let's behave like civilised people', all the people who want to attend these meetings for any reason other than to behave atrociously might begin to get something worthwhile from them.
12 Aug 09
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Originally posted by uzlessIs it being afraid of Obama because he is "mean" or is it being afraid of Obama because he is clueless? The man has made claim after claim that has turned out to be false such as the unemployement rate not rising above 8% or not raising taxes on the middle class etc. In fact, an independent Congressional committee said recently that his claims about the new health care plan not raising deficits simply do not add up!! I think perhaps he needs to stop making such claims altogether and shut his pie hole.
Watching all of this "debate" makes those of us in the rest of the world do belly laughs.
Since when does, "I'm afraid of Obama" pass for reasoned debate??
Witness the final decline of the American Empire.
Then again, he is doing pretty well I guess for a community organizer I suppose.
12 Aug 09
Originally posted by whodeyWitness the final decline of the American Empire. Specimen code: RHP0436whodey67C
Is it being afraid of Obama because he is "mean" or is it being afraid of Obama because he is clueless? The man has made claim after claim that has turned out to be false such as the unemployement rate not rising above 8% or not raising taxes on the middle class etc. In fact, an independent Congressional committee said recently that his claims about the new ...[text shortened]... ie hole.
Then again, he is doing pretty well I guess for a community organizer I suppose.
12 Aug 09
Originally posted by whodeyWas there ever in the history of mankind any politician who did not make exaggerated claims?
Is it being afraid of Obama because he is "mean" or is it being afraid of Obama because he is clueless? The man has made claim after claim that has turned out to be false such as the unemployement rate not rising above 8% or not raising taxes on the middle class etc. In fact, an independent Congressional committee said recently that his claims about the new ...[text shortened]... ie hole.
Then again, he is doing pretty well I guess for a community organizer I suppose.
12 Aug 09
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Originally posted by uzless"American Empire" is a meaningless derision invented by those obsessed with historical analogies. There is no American Empire. Western Europe is not an American vassal and the United States has no territories other than a few minor ones that can have their independence whenever they like.
Watching all of this "debate" makes those of us in the rest of the world do belly laughs.
Since when does, "I'm afraid of Obama" pass for reasoned debate??
Witness the final decline of the American Empire.
The United States is just that, the United States. The pax Americana is not about Empire. It's about peace and freedom.*
You can keep the empire. Maybe Canada and Western Europe would like to start funding global humanitarian missions and the UN and taking charge of keeping dictators and despots in line. All I can cay is have fun and good luck.
PS: Where in this thread did anyone say anything about being afraid of Obama before your post?
* I know I'm gonna get hammered for saying that. But so be it. In spite of some hiccups now and then, it's what I believe.
12 Aug 09
Originally posted by whodeywhoa easy there obfuscator. You've taken some quotes out of context there but, hey, why bother with accuracy.
Is it being afraid of Obama because he is "mean" or is it being afraid of Obama because he is clueless? The man has made claim after claim that has turned out to be false such as the unemployement rate not rising above 8% or not raising taxes on the middle class etc. In fact, an independent Congressional committee said recently that his claims about the new ...[text shortened]... ie hole.
Then again, he is doing pretty well I guess for a community organizer I suppose.
The fact is simple. The US MUST do health reform. You have no choice. You cannot afford your future spending commitments. Your population is getting old. You are a nation of soon to be retirees. Medicare/medicaid/social security will take up 100% of your budget in the coming years.
Wake up.
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15 Aug 09
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Originally posted by sh76It's not hard to see that the vast majority of this country was never part of the Thirteen Colonies, and the Civil War showed us that our States can NOT have their independence whenever they like. However, we're still a Republic; our Caesar hasn't come yet, and hopefully never will. Therefore we have no Emporer.
"American Empire" is a meaningless derision invented by those obsessed with historical analogies. There is no American Empire. Western Europe is not an American vassal and the United States has no territories other than a few minor ones that can have their independence whenever they like.
The United States is just that, the United States. The pax Americana i for saying that. But so be it. In spite of some hiccups now and then, it's what I believe.
15 Aug 09
Originally posted by sh76agreed.
Rather than call them unAmerican or telling them to shut up and get out of the way, the Dem leadership might want to look at the example of Claire McCaskill and Arlen Specter, Criticize some of the tactics, but show some respect for the people behind the tactics.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_protests
However, you have to admit that some of those protesters are morons. All the stuff about fearing Obama, the death panels, the angry guy calling people liars, and the woman who said she didn't want the US to become Russia (😕), those things were just absurd and incredibly simplistic.
15 Aug 09
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Originally posted by generalissimoSo you have a real grasp on the new legislation to make such assertions do ya? You read the whole bill did ya?
agreed.
However, you have to admit that some of those protesters are morons. All the stuff about fearing Obama, the death panels, the angry guy calling people liars, and the woman who said she didn't want the US to become Russia (😕), those things were just absurd and incredibly simplistic.
15 Aug 09
Originally posted by sh76Um... they deserve about the same amount of respect as Code Pink. They use the same loudmouthed, disruptive, nonsensical rhetoric.
Rather than call them unAmerican or telling them to shut up and get out of the way, the Dem leadership might want to look at the example of Claire McCaskill and Arlen Specter, Criticize some of the tactics, but show some respect for the people behind the tactics.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_protests
15 Aug 09
Originally posted by whodeyNo, it does NOT talk about rationing AT ALL. That. is. a. lie. for. dumb. sheep. to. swallow.
No, but it does talk about "counsilors" and "rationing" and governmental bodies who will decide what is insurable and what is not does it not?
The counseling is *total* end of life counseling and it's voluntary. It is something all hospitals offer to terminal patients, and there is a provision in the bill to pay for it.