Originally posted by no1marauder"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."
Would Jesus have registered for the draft or not??
I have no idea what relevance that has but it's one of the few bible verses I remember.
PS. Jammer, I'm sure glad America is filled with such caring and sharing individuals as yourself you ignorant piece of crap.
Originally posted by jammerYour profile says you enjoy meeting people from around the world. Is this so you can implicitly tell them that they and their countrymen are egocentric, if that's even an undesirable trait?
Naw ... don't sign up .. as a matter of fact, don't come back.
You sound kinda ego-centric, you'll fit in just fine in the UK. Just stay there, we certainly don't need you taking up space here.
Originally posted by flyUnityGuess I missed the part of the New Testament where Jesus says you should kill if the government tells you to. Could you please point out the Biblical verse where he does so? Thank you.
lol, Whats Jesus got to do with this?
He wants us to obey the laws of the land, and when asked if we should pay taxes to somone we dont support, he said we should pay to the goverment what is theirs, and pay to God what is God's. I have no authority to say weather Jesus wouldve or not. If its againts your conviction, then we must obey God rather then man.
Originally posted by no1marauderWelcome back, Killer. Are you certain that registering for a non-existant draft automatically extrapolates into creating government controlled homocidal maniacs?
Guess I missed the part of the New Testament where Jesus says you should kill if the government tells you to. Could you please point out the Biblical verse where he does so? Thank you.
Originally posted by no1marauderI guess you missed the part in my response that says if its againts your conviction, we must obey that, rather then the goverment. I had the option of going to the military and getting all my flight training free, but I decided not to for that reason. I registered with the goverment because its the law, and Im certian that the draft wont come into affect, if it did, I would apply to work in a non combat zone
Guess I missed the part of the New Testament where Jesus says you should kill if the government tells you to. Could you please point out the Biblical verse where he does so? Thank you.
Allot of christians will disagree with me, Actually im not sure myself, But Im gonna be safe, and follow my convictions.
If you wanna further this discussion, put a thread in the Spiritual forum, instead of taking over this one
Sign up for the draft? Easy. The answer is "no". Sooner or later the manpower needs of the neocon empire will burn through the illegal aliens and the criminals and they will come looking for YOU. That boy who already expressed a desire to become grease for the treadles of New World Order tanks when he signed this document! [Holds up the Selective Service System Registration form, dramatically, causing the women to gasp and the men to frown.] Best friends Illuminati bankers ever had, these gullible sons of the soil USA.
The more all the talkers say it cant happen, the more surely it will occur. Probably sooner than we think. Ive noticed that for the last several years, during which time the public approval of a draft was so low as to make it unlikely, the Selective Service System (along with those sweet sweet people over at the AdCouncil) has continued to hammer away at the arcane requirement for citizens (and legal residents? nah - hmm) to register for the draft "In case Uncle Sam needs you in an emergency." HAW! (they have more emergencies than I have run-on sentences). Why would they continue to hold that registration program open all these years?
Look, if this govt were a legitimate expression of the Will of the People, it would be one thing. If our constitution were intact. If criminals were not occupying all the nodes of power. If the govt did not brazenly assert their RIGHT to lie to us, to use our population for biological tests, to disarm us whenever they see fit and more. If they did not constantly exercise that putative right all the time. Maybe if we had had a NON-Skull&Bones candidate to vote for last time around or if they had simply allowed one of the many third-party candidates into the so-called "debates". Any expression of a sincerely patriotic impulse from ANY national level pol would do wonders for morale. Its not happening.
I'll probably be dismissed as an "extremist" for saying this, but I'm bound to say it. 🙂 Virtually the entire apparatchiki in Washington, D.C. is corrupt. They are all attending to their own enrichment, not the business of the state which we need done thoughtfully and honestly. Its obvious. When was the last time there was prosecution of one of them for bribery?? Think about it. Bribes are happening...all the time - in plain view - so, ...where are the prosecutions?? Is it possible that the lack of prosecutions may account for so much of the anti-American legislation which flies through congress. The treacherous trade "deals", for example. The constitution specifies how trade shall be managed, and delegating that authority to bureaucracies and international tribunals aint it.
[Puts away his soap-box.]
The American People have been betrayed. Badly. So, returning to the topic, I would suggest that you NOT register for their schemes. Fight it.
BTW, Im totally unimpressed by the reason you state is your main reason for not signing: they wont let you on their cheap loan programs. Tsk, tsk. Do not play footsy with this bunch. They cheat...even at "footsy"!!! - lol - good luck 😀 - rod
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Originally posted by flyUnityAgreed and rec'd. I registered in my time. Several of my friends registered as concientious objectors. That process would keep you out of combat, but you would be liable for some other service (such as a medic). Becoming a legitimate CJ is difficult. It would take much documentation. Most universities have conselors of this and other Selective Service issues.
If you dont support our goverment. Why are you trying to get them to pay for your college?
Here's the deal. Sign up for the Selective Service (You need it for grad school loans as well).
Let's say, worst of all possible worlds, that a conflict occurs and the government starts drafting people. Estimate the likely amount of time you have before being chosen taking into account your age and the state of the war. You may want to use some risk aversion and weight early outcomes more heavily. Once this expectation gets to within a year and a half, ENROLL IN THE NEAREST CULT SEMINARY you can find. Make sure it's a mainstream cult like Catholicism or Baptist Protestant. If you get into a small one the government won't recognize it.
Once you're in enrolled you can't be drafted. You see preachers-in-training are exempt. Ironically, you could be a great oncologist-in-training at Harvard about to announce the cure for cancer, and you'll only get a semester delay; but if you're a preacher-in-training preparing to tell everyone everything about the unknowable God, you get of scot free.
But wait! Seminary might only last a year or two. Then they give you a bible and new outfit and gun and ship you off, right? Not necessarily. If you make sure to get an appointment as an actual preacher, you are exempt entirely. I know, the irony meter is about to explode, but it's true.
So there you go. Sign up. Most likely it will never matter (it never mattered in my case); in the worst case, you'll have to be a preacher for a few years.
I had no idea that America had anything like this. A kind of 'draft-in-waiting'?
I'm still not sure I understand the nature of it. If it's something that everyone is supposed to sign up for, other than conscientious objectors, then that's a very different issue to a system of 'sign up and receive benefits'.
Here in Australia, people who sign up for the Army Reserve definitely get benefits like study assistance in return, but there certainly isn't any pressure for people to sign up or any expectation. People join because they want to, not because there's social pressure to conform. It's only a minority of people that join.
You seem to be talking more like this is something people are expected to do in the ordinary course of things. Which in my personal opinion would stink to high heaven. The lack of benefits would only increase my resolve to say no.
But as I said, I can't really grasp what the question is so my answer is going to be flawed.
Originally posted by orfeoSelective service is a registration system for every male in the US that is 17 or 18. Not sure, but somewhere in that time frame you get a ntoice from the government saying you have to register.
I had no idea that America had anything like this. A kind of 'draft-in-waiting'?
I'm still not sure I understand the nature of it. If it's something that everyone is supposed to sign up for, other than conscientious objectors, then that's a very different issue to a system of 'sign up and receive benefits'.
Here in Australia, people who sign up ...[text shortened]...
But as I said, I can't really grasp what the question is so my answer is going to be flawed.
And yes, it's a "pre-draft". It's just our government's way of maintaining a database of eligible cannon fodder in case they need it.
The last I heard was that women are exempt though. Of course that's a whole other debate. 🙂
Originally posted by jammerYou'd be surprised how many Americans i know in the UK, most of whom said that they would never go back to the States.
Naw ... don't sign up .. as a matter of fact, don't come back.
You sound kinda ego-centric, you'll fit in just fine in the UK. Just stay there, we certainly don't need you taking up space here.
Probably to better avoid people like you.