Today is V-E Day.

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Thank you for that post.

I had an array of follow-up topics that I wanted to discuss, but you pre-empted all of them.

@hells-caretaker said
@Ashiitaka

Coupled with the fact Goering was a total tit.

If I recall correctly (we discussed this around 26 months ago), Hermann Göring had one of the highest IQ scores among Nazi leaders, although I was/am sceptical of the accuracy of that data.

Joachim von Ribbentrop was in the middle of the pack with an IQ of 130, yet he was regarded as unintelligent by much of British high society (with whom he interacted extensively during his time as ambassador to Britain before replacing Konstantin von Neurath as Foreign Minister in 1938). My own family hosted him several times, and his blunderous social gaffes and general boorishness made him a detested figure in diplomatic circles.

@ashiitaka said
If I recall correctly (we discussed this around 26 months ago), Hermann Göring had one of the highest IQ scores among Nazi leaders, although I was/am sceptical of the accuracy of that data.

Joachim von Ribbentrop was in the middle of the pack with an IQ of 130, yet he was regarded as unintelligent by much of British high society (with whom he interacted extensively duri ...[text shortened]... s blunderous social gaffes and general boorishness made him a detested figure in diplomatic circles.

In Gustave Gilbert's IQ testing at Nuremberg, Goering came in 3rd of the 21 defendants. I believe Schacht was #1 and I forget who was #2. I have the book upstairs; maybe I'll look at it. IIRC, his IQ was 138, which is in the top percentile.

From that book and others it's apparent that Goering was a very smart and capable person. It was soft living, vices and extreme toadyism that made him ineffective as a war leader.

Edit: I see D also had the 138 figure.

@sh76 said
In Gustave Gilbert's IQ testing at Nuremberg, Goering came in 3rd of the 21 defendants. I believe Schacht was #1 and I forget who was #2. I have the book upstairs; maybe I'll look at it. IIRC, his IQ was 138, which is in the top percentile.

From that book and others it's apparent that Goering was a very smart and capable person. It was soft living, vices and extreme toadyism that made him ineffective as a war leader.

Edit: I see D also had the 138 figure.

I wonder what their IQ test was like.

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Ah, yes. Seyss-Inquart.

It's amazing that Hess was able to score

I remember he had a great line that, though Schacht and Goering were rivals, they shared: admiration of themselves, hatred of each other and contempt for von Ribbentrop.

@sh76 said
Ah, yes. Seyss-Inquart.

Or ,as the Dutch (and we should g₩%@$#&₩mned well know) called him, six-and-a-quarter.

Nasty, almost nastier even than lingchi, but a thug. Not a genius, decidedly a thug. If that Hunnic piece of excrement managed to come second, the test was rigged. Probably in the favour of those the Yanks wanted to snatch up.

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While I would only regard an IQ of 130 as "moderately intelligent", it still seems too high for a man of such low calibre, especially when juxtaposed with Schact and Göring, who didn't score that much higher than he did.

Where would Hitler rank, I wonder?

@sh76 said
Ah, yes. Seyss-Inquart.

It's amazing that Hess was able to score

I remember he had a great line that, though Schacht and Goering were rivals, they shared: admiration of themselves, hatred of each other and contempt for von Ribbentrop.

Perhaps Hess's supposed "amnesia" affected his score.

@shallow-blue said
Or ,as the Dutch (and we should g₩%@$#&₩mned well know) called him, six-and-a-quarter.

Nasty, almost nastier even than lingchi, but a thug. Not a genius, decidedly a thug. If that Hunnic piece of excrement managed to come second, the test was rigged. Probably in the favour of those the Yanks wanted to snatch up.

How many of the 21 who were administered the test were "snatched up" by the USA?

@ashiitaka said
How many of the 21 who were administered the test were "snatched up" by the USA?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip