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Torture cover-ups in China's internment camps revealed

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New details of torture, cover-ups in China's internment camps revealed in Amnesty International report
Chinese officials spent days burning documents after government information leaked to global media exposed conditions in the camps.



The prevalence of torture and the lengths to which the Chinese government has gone to cover up its treatment of Muslim minorities are described in comprehensive detail in an Amnesty International report on detention camps in Western China.

Every former camp detainee Amnesty interviewed in the report recounted cruel and degrading treatment, including torture. The report, released Thursday, is based on interviews with 108 people, including 55 camp survivors and several government cadres who worked in the camps.

As part of an attempt to hide camp conditions from the world, Chinese officials created a massive, nearly week-long bonfire, burning as many documents as could be found from an office overseeing the camps, according to an ex-cadre who spoke to Amnesty and whose identity has been concealed for his safety.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/new-details-torture-cover-ups-china-s-internment-camps-revealed-n1270014
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The Chinese menace is on the rise!
When will the UN act out against Chinese racism, slavery, torture and ethnic cleansing.

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Unfortunately there is very little any foreign country or the UN can do about it, beyond censure the Chinese govt. No country has the capability to physically put a stop to the abuse, and China produces so much of the world’s ‘cargo’ that a comprehensive boycott of Chinese products would be economically ruinous to the West.

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I somewhat agree, moonbus, I just have a hard time accepting that reality. I think as time moves on,
China is going to get even more brazen with their human rights abuses. The world should protest now
before we simply grow accustomed to it and think of it as "normal" or accepted behavior.

Unfortunately for the US and the minorities in China, America is now led by Bejing Joe.

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@moonbus said
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Unfortunately there is very little any foreign country or the UN can do about it, beyond censure the Chinese govt. No country has the capability to physically put a stop to the abuse, and China produces so much of the world’s ‘cargo’ that a comprehensive boycott of Chinese products would be economically ruinous to the West.
That works both ways; if the West stops profiting from China, China also loses profits. A united boycott would more severely affect China than any individual western nation. The U.S. alone makes up about 17 percent of China's exports.

But more and more, I'm against the idea of boycotts, embargos, sanctions, etc. The ones hurt most by such acts are the citizens; the ones in power usually aren't affected. World leaders will still be comfortable while citizens suffer, and usually just spin the situation as the fault of the nation making sanctions. The majority of sanctions from the west seem to be against authoritarian nations, which usually put the ideals of the state above the welfare of citizens. If sanctions do work, it could take many years where the citizens are the ones enduring hardships.

But then again, I'm not sure of any other options.

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I respect your concern about the abuse of any innocent people, but be aware that any 'official' news about foreign issues all basically comes from a single source and is totally one-sided. Worse yet, all the other 5 or 10 sources that confirm the news also all come from the same original source, which is usually some govt agency that is known to lie all the time, and get away with it all the time.
This was brilliantly exposed just last week by some professor of political science.

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But more and more, I'm against the idea of boycotts, embargos, sanctions, etc. The ones hurt most by such acts are the citizens; the ones in power usually aren't affected.


Amen.

I look at the result of US sanctions on Cuba and North Korea. NOTHING changes, and the rulers live the really good life.

Do you know that Fidel and Raul Castro were both billionaires before Fidel died?
Or that Kim is worth about $500 million? You're 100% correct, Vivify. It never deterred the ruling class one bit.

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@Earl-of-Trumps
I respect your concern about the abuse of any innocent people, but be aware that any 'official' news about foreign issues all basically comes from a single source and is totally one-sided. Worse yet, all the other 5 or 10 sources that confirm the news also all come from the same original source, which is usually some govt agency that is known to lie all ...[text shortened]... t all the time.
This was brilliantly exposed just last week by some professor of political science.
As far as I can see, the reports of abuses to citizens in China are multiple. It also includes Western Intel.

And reports have been international, too. Lots of these reports on ethnic cleansing (forced sterilizations),
slavery, and now torture are so numerous, they have to - at the very least, be taken seriously.

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@vivify - said
But more and more, I'm against the idea of boycotts, embargos, sanctions, etc. The ones hurt most by such acts are the citizens; the ones in power usually aren't affected.


Amen.

I look at the result of US sanctions on Cuba and North Korea. NOTHING changes, and the rulers live the really good life.

Do you know that Fidel and Raul Castro w ...[text shortened]... s worth about $500 million? You're 100% correct, Vivify. It never deterred the ruling class one bit.
Economic sanctions against Iran also markedly failed to bring the Iranian govt to the negotiating table. Instead, Iran ramped up its nuclear programme, in response to Trump's "maximum pressure" doctrine. Clearly, the world needs some other mechanism than economic sanctions against pariah states. I just wish I knew what it should be.

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@moonbus said
Economic sanctions against Iran also markedly failed to bring the Iranian govt to the negotiating table.
Actually, they did work, under Obama.

Obama signed harsh sanctions that did bring Iran into an agreement. The problem was that Trump reneged on the deal and expected to sanctions to work again, except this time for Trump's desired outcome. This, unsurprisingly, had the exact opposite effect, with Iran refusing to let itself get bullied by the U.S., when America was the one that broke its deal.

So while sanctions worked with Iran, it was the Iranian citizens who suffered under the weight of these sanctions. Those people basically starved; Trump's baboonery made their plight all for nothing, since he killed the deal paid for by crippling the Iranian economy.

I think sanctions against poor countries are immoral.

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I'd like to see what Duchess thinks about this .

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@vivify - said
Actually, they did work, under Obama.

Obama signed harsh sanctions that did bring Iran into an agreement.



Yes, and removing the sanctions was part of Obama's deal. Also, Iran will consider going back to
the negotiating table now, providing the sanctions are removed. Yup. There is some wiggle room now,
but the deal Obama gave them was quite sweet, too, with a large cash handout. But basically, no, they do not work.

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@vivify said
Actually, they did work, under Obama.

Obama signed harsh sanctions that did bring Iran into an agreement. The problem was that Trump reneged on the deal and expected to sanctions to work again, except this time for Trump's desired outcome. This, unsurprisingly, had the exact opposite effect, with Iran refusing to let itself get bullied by the U.S., when America was the ...[text shortened]... aid for by crippling the Iranian economy.

I think sanctions against poor countries are immoral.
Sanctions are a blunt instrument which work only if the bludgeoned party is sure the bludgeoning party will come to the negotiating table in good faith and stick to any deal eventually hammered out. The Obama administration had competent diplomats on board and credibility. Under Trump, the State Dept. was gutted. Trump was so erratic (cancelling treaties and climate accords at a whim and announcing them on twitter instead of through the State Dept., suddenly moving the US embassy to Jerusalem against decades of former US policy, etc. etc.), it is quite understandable that the Iranians had no incentive to try to cut a deal with him.

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Trump did all of that for Israel and much more. He destroyed the middle ground that the Palestinians
and Israeli's had for negotiations. Now, the Palestinians have to think about Jerusalem and perhaps other settlements.
Nobody had their embassy in Jerusalem before the US and Trump put pressure with inducements on
other nations to follow suit. Same with normalizing relations with the Israelis, as some nations fell in line with Washington.
It's a nightmare. Set the whole peace process back decades. We in the US see it as a victory. Crimminy.

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