Trafficing torturees to be

Originally posted by shavixmir
It seems Condola Rice has made her comments on the issue.

Shite...is she ever a slag or what?

Originally posted by xs
Looking at the alleged CIA flight routes map:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41022000/gif/_41022084_cia_world_map416.gif
It's possible that "torturees" are being held in the basement of the White
House...I can only imagine Laura in studded leather.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
LOL, but i'll tell you something though, you wouldn't want to wake up next to her photo on CNN website - that's got to be a man!!!

Originally posted by shavixmir
Actually.
I hope some European action group has her arrested as she strolls from the plane.

That would really crack me up (but that's why she's not landing in Belgium, presumably).

Originally posted by xs
Looking at the alleged CIA flight routes map:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41022000/gif/_41022084_cia_world_map416.gif
It's possible that "torturees" are being held in the basement of the White
House...I can only imagine Laura in studded leather.

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4499528.stm

The US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's defence of the practice of transferring prisoners around the world for interrogation relies a great deal on a definition of torture.

In the US view, torture has to involve "severe pain", and harsh interrogations do not necessarily amount to torture.

Ms Rice accepted that prisoner transfers, known as "renditions", take place and said they were not unusual. The French had moved Carlos the Jackal directly from Sudan that way in 1994, she pointed out.

She did not adddress the issue of where these prisoners, thought to be senior al-Qaeda suspects like Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, the man who thought up the attacks of 9/11, end up. The Washington Post has alleged that there are or have been secret CIA prisons in Eastern Europe, Afghanistan and Thailand. By being located outside the US, they would avoid coming under the scrutiny of US courts.

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The United States acted, she said, in accordance with its legal obligations, among which is the 1984 UN "Convention against Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman and Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

This defines torture in the following way: "Torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind..."

Recent reports on the American ABC News network, quoting CIA sources, listed six so-called "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques."

1. Grab: the interrogator grabs a suspect's shirt front and shakes him.

2. Slap: an open-handed slap to produce fear and some pain.

3. Belly Slap: a hard slap to the stomach with an open hand. This is designed to be painful but not to cause injury. A punch is said to have been ruled out by doctors.

4. Standing: Prisoners stand for 40 hours and more, shackled to the floor. Said to be effective, it also denies them sleep and is part of a process known as sensory deprivation ( this was a technique used by British forces in Northern Ireland for a time until it was stopped).

5. Cold Cell: a prisoner is made to stand naked in a cold, though not freezing, cell and doused with water.

6. Water Boarding: the prisoner is bound to a board with feet raised, and cellophane wrapped round his head. Water is poured onto his face and is said to produce a fear of drowning which leads to a rapid demand for the suffering to end.
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Party on people.

Originally posted by shavixmir
From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4499528.stm

The US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's defence of the practice of transferring prisoners around the world for interrogation relies a great deal on a definition of torture.

In the US view, torture has to involve "severe pain", and harsh interrogations do not necessarily amount to torture. ...[text shortened]... which leads to a rapid demand for the suffering to end.
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Party on people.

Is anyone getting cognative dissonance here....

Originally posted by shavixmir
"Torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person ..."

6. Water Boarding: the prisoner is bound to a board with feet raised, and cellophane wrapped round his head. Water is poured onto his face and is said to produce a fear of drowning which leads to a rapid demand for the suffering to end.

Nemesio

Originally posted by shavixmir
What do you all make of this then?

Originally posted by twhitehead
If it is not wrong or illegal as claimed by the US administration then why must it be secret and foreign? The same applies to Guantanamo Bay.
Why have so many people totaly changed thier opinions of justice just because of terrorism ? What happened to innocent until proven guilty ?
What happened to human rights ?

The US has admitted for the first time that it has not given the Red Cross access to all detainees in its custody.

The state department's top legal adviser, John Bellinger, made the admission but gave no details about where such prisoners were held.

Correspondents say the revelation is only likely to increase suspicion that the CIA has been operating secret prisons out of international oversight.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4512192.stm

I'm keeping folks up to date on this story, because it is unfolding before our very eyes.

another day...

The US has admitted for the first time that it has not given the Red Cross access to all detainees in its custody.

The state department's top legal adviser, John Bellinger, made the admission but gave no details about where such prisoners were held.

Correspondents say the revelation is only likely to increase suspicion that the CIA has been operating secret prisons out of international oversight.

The issue has dogged Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's tour to Europe.

Mr Bellinger made the admission in Geneva.

He stated that the group International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) had access to "absolutely everybody" at the prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, which holds suspects detained during the US war on terror.

When asked by journalists if the organisation had access to everybody held in similar circumstances elsewhere, he said: "No". He declined to explain further.

Until now the US administration has been careful in its language, says the BBC's state department correspondent Jonathan Beale.

It has always said that the ICRC has access to all prisoners held at US defence department facilities - leaving open the question of whether there are CIA prisons elsewhere.

Mr Bellinger's comments will raise suspicions that high-profile terrorist suspects are being held out of international view, our correspondent says.

Mr Bellinger said some of the allegations of secret prisons were "so overblown as to be ludicrous".

The ICRC wants access to all foreign terror suspects held by the US "in undisclosed locations".

"The dialogue continues on the question. We would like to obtain information and access to them," ICRC spokesman Florian Westphal said on Thursday.

Human rights groups say there is no way of knowing whether detainees being held in secret are being tortured.

On her visit to Europe, Condoleezza Rice has repeatedly denied that the US tortures prisoners.

On Wednesday, Ms Rice stressed that all American interrogators were bound by the UN Convention on Torture, whether they worked in the US or abroad.

Nato and EU foreign ministers, after meeting Ms Rice in Brussels on Wednesday evening, declared themselves satisfied with her assurances that the US does not interpret international humanitarian law differently from its allies.

When asked by journalists if the organisation had access to everybody held in similar circumstances elsewhere, he said: "No". He declined to explain further.

another way...

So what about this:

Secret evidence that might have been obtained by torture cannot be used against terror suspects in UK courts, the law lords have ruled.

The decision means the cases of eight detainees facing deportation are expected to be reconsidered by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4509530.stm

Originally posted by CliffLandin
You can only imagine Laura in leathers, well I got pictures.