http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/11/obamas-secret-treaty-important-step-toward-one-world-economic-system/#fur92ktMXtkqvMiM.99
Has anyone heard about this? I've heard next to nothing about it.
According to the news source, it would be the largest trade agreement in world history, which would further cement corporate power over once sovereign nations around the world.
Originally posted by whodeyOMG THE PACIFIC TRADE ROUTE SUPPOSED TO BE SPAIN'S
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/11/obamas-secret-treaty-important-step-toward-one-world-economic-system/#fur92ktMXtkqvMiM.99
Has anyone heard about this? I've heard next to nothing about it.
According to the news source, it would be the largest trade agreement in world history, which would further cement corporate power over once sovereign nations around the world.
Originally posted by whodeyI'll take Right Wing-nut Conspiracy Theories for $200, Alex.
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/11/obamas-secret-treaty-important-step-toward-one-world-economic-system/#fur92ktMXtkqvMiM.99
Has anyone heard about this? I've heard next to nothing about it.
According to the news source, it would be the largest trade agreement in world history, which would further cement corporate power over once sovereign nations around the world.
The only reason stories like this exist is to keep your attention off what the right is doing.
Originally posted by SuzianneYou should read some of this stuff. Much as it pains me to admit it Whodey is right. Both the Transpacific agreement and TTIP have content which will constrain innovation and protect the rich around the world. If you regard yourself as left of centre, hey left of Genghis Khan, then you should oppose this.
I'll take Right Wing-nut Conspiracy Theories for $200, Alex.
The only reason stories like this exist is to keep your attention off what the right is doing.
Originally posted by whodeyThe content of the proposed treaty is, as far as I understand, not fully public, so I cannot form an opinion on it. I'm sure it has aspects I agree with and aspects I disagree with. Was there a specific policy proposal you wanted to discuss?
So being the collectivist that you are, do you give it a thumbs up or down?
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraAnd it seems that members of Congress are equally in the dark.
The content of the proposed treaty is, as far as I understand, not fully public, so I cannot form an opinion on it. I'm sure it has aspects I agree with and aspects I disagree with. Was there a specific policy proposal you wanted to discuss?
From the article:
"Even though Congress is not being allowed to see what is in the treaty, Barack Obama wants Congress to give him fast track negotiating authority. What that means is that Congress would essentially trust Obama to negotiate a good treaty for us. Congress could vote the treaty up or down, but would not be able to amend or filibuster it."
I suppose people like sh would say that this makes Obama a "moderate" since this empowers corporatism and then Obama turns around and empowers a centralized government in some form or fashion, like the net neutrality. From this vantage point, it is as if somehow Obama vacillated from left to right. However, if you look at Obama as a mere collectivist, all of his policies and actions are consistent. The goal is centralization, with the engine being world wide corporatism.
Originally posted by whodeyFunny, people you would call "liberal collectivists" have been fighting these type of trade deals for decades. Google "Battle in Seattle" for further info.
I suppose people like sh would say that this makes Obama a "moderate" since this empowers corporatism and then Obama turns around and empowers a centralized government in some form or fashion, like the net neutrality. From this vantage point, it is as if somehow Obama vacillated from left to right. However, if you look at Obama as a mere collectivist, all o ...[text shortened]... tions are consistent. The goal is centralization, with the engine being world wide corporatism.
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Originally posted by no1marauderSure, those on the left fight corporate power and those on the right fight government power. In the end, they both fight two sides of the same coin and both lose little by little.
Funny, people you would call "liberal collectivists" have been fighting these type of trade deals for decades. Google "Battle in Seattle" for further info.
Over time we "progress" towards the collectivists utopia with no opposition party in sight.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtAccording to some analyses, it is a neoliberal thing, which is quite different from US liberalism.
You should read some of this stuff. Much as it pains me to admit it Whodey is right. Both the Transpacific agreement and TTIP have content which will constrain innovation and protect the rich around the world. If you regard yourself as left of centre, hey left of Genghis Khan, then you should oppose this.
"Neoliberalism is the resurgence of ideas associated with economic liberalism beginning in the 1970s and 1980s,[1][2][3] whose advocates support extensive economic liberalization, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to enhance the role of the private sector in the economy.[4][5][6][7] The usage and definition of the term have changed over time.[8]" (Wikipedia)
Originally posted by whodeyRight wingers seek to enhance corporate power (even giving them "rights" like freedom of religion) because they are tools created and maintained by the wealthy. The defining feature of right wing ideology has always been that a few should be entitled to rule and dominate the rest. Right wingers wish to restrict government power in the US because it is based on democratic principles and gives the People a theoretical chance to check the power of the wealthy. Of course, that turns out to be quite difficult in practice but the possibility remains so limiting the power of government to do anything that might interfere with the power of the wealthy is the right wing's #1 priority. They are less interested in limiting government power in other things like enforcing a dominant culture's morals and/or values.
Sure, those on the left fight corporate power and those on the right fight government power. In the end, they both fight two sides of the same coin and both lose little by little.
Over time we "progress" towards the collectivists utopia with no opposition party in sight.