http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/517/health-care-reform-public-sessions-C-SPAN/
During Obama's Presidential run, he made the following promise.
"I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies -- they will get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we will have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguements on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay motivated in this process."
Here is the same promise several days later. "That is what I will do in briniging all parties together, not negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parites together, and broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are..."
However, there have been substantial negotiations behind closed doors. These include tow agreements with the drug industry and hospitals to reduce costs over the next 10 years. In Congress, some of the committee bill writing sessions have been open, but negotiations are also taking place behind closed doors. So no, there have not been any round table negtiations on C-SPAN and there are plenty of questions still left to be answered. In fact, do any of you really know what is in the bill?
The President is notorious for blitzkrieg legislation like that of the last stimulus bill. These massive bills costing billions and trillions of dollars are rushed through Congress at frightening speeds that will end up effecting generations to come. In short, where has the transparency been? You have to pick and choose as to the reasons. Did he lie to us, or was he really that niave in thinking it was possible? Either suggesting is troubling, especially in light of him being a former Senator in the US Congress. He should have known. Then again, how would it look having United States Senators wheeling and dealing the tax payer money away like was done with Ben Nelson or the Louisiana Purchase for $300 million? Transparency would destroy these guys, and they know it. Unfortunatly, for them, people are paying attention to this particular topic. It is no wonder that Congressmen are retiring in droves. They know the gig is up.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperSo where has the "transparency" been in this administration? Anywhere? Was that not the theme to his campaign?
The whole idea of airing it CSPAN was probably shot down by congress. Still, he promised it would happen so "promise broken" is a fair assessment.
Originally posted by whodeyWell, let's see. You will be HAPPY (not really) to know he's doing pretty well in that category.
So where has the "transparency" been in this administration? Anywhere? Was that not the theme to his campaign?
With Transparency
3 Promises kept
16 In the Works
3 Compromises
3 Broken
The rest stalled or not yet rated.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/transparency/?page=1
For someone who made a LOT of promises *and* has visited more countries and more foreign leaders in his first six months than any other President... I'd say he's doing OK.
Especially considering on his record of total promises (not just transparency related) he has significantly more kept than broken. 86 - 11, with 26 compromises. The compromises can be viewed as good, bad or neutral on a case-by-case basis.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperSo you would say that a 50/50 percentage is pretty good?
Well, let's see. You will be HAPPY (not really) to know he's doing pretty well in that category.
With Transparency
3 Promises kept
16 In the Works
3 Compromises
3 Broken
The rest stalled or not yet rated.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/transparency/?page=1
For someone who made a LOT of promises * ...[text shortened]... compromises. The compromises can be viewed as good, bad or neutral on a case-by-case basis.
Originally posted by whodeyHis overall record is very good. His transparency record is OK. Again, this is considering the vast amounts of promises he made. I'm also encouraged by the huge amount of promises that are in the works - meaning - they're not being ignored.
So you would say that a 50/50 percentage is pretty good?
With only 9 promises fully rated, it's far to early to give an overall assessment. At this point it's only a spot report, and so far I would say "so-so at worst"
If you're expecting any President to keep all of their campaign promises, or anywhere near all, I'd say get with reality.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperSo you would say that promises kept equals transparency? Can't one keep his promise, like passing NHC, and still be clandestined as hell about it?
His overall record is very good. His transparency record is OK. Again, this is considering the vast amounts of promises he made. I'm also encouraged by the huge amount of promises that are in the works - meaning - they're not being ignored.
With only 9 promises fully rated, it's far to early to give an overall assessment. At this point it's onl p all of their campaign promises, or anywhere near all, I'd say get with reality.
Originally posted by whodeyI'm not following the question.
So you would say that promises kept equals transparency? Can't one keep his promise, like passing NHC, and still be clandestined as hell about it?
If you look at the link I provided there's a special section totalling promises kept, broken, etc. on *just* promises related to transparency.
His overall rating for *all* promises is 86 kept with 11 broken. His "transparency related" promises is 50/50 with only 9 finished and a TON still in the works.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperHas anyone looked hard at the tax consequences of the healthcare bill?
I'm not following the question.
If you look at the link I provided there's a special section totalling promises kept, broken, etc. on *just* promises related to transparency.
His overall rating for *all* promises is 86 kept with 11 broken. His "transparency related" promises is 50/50 with only 9 finished and a TON still in the works.
he said taxes would not affect anyone making less than 250K. Am I right?
well that is not true.
How can a health care bill, of over 2000 pages be deemed transparent. Can anyone understand the math, and jargon involved here?
Is there a concensus of what it actually entails?
Does it save money, or will it cost money. I hardly see them cutting medicare, and the Dr provision was taken out.
This is the most important bit of legislation we have seen in years. If you don't fully understand something, don't jump off the building with the herd. That net below may be in your imagination.