https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/us-north-korea-russia-belarus-un-vote-b2703910.html
On a vote against condemning Russia for attacking Ukraine, the US now sides with all the Russian aligned states like Belerus and North Korea.
I never thought I would live to see the day we caved in totally to Russia.
Treachery at the top of our government.
If this doesn't demonstrate clear as a bell who Trump sides with and maybe have right wingers wake up and see what is going on, NOTHING WILL and those right wingers will just meekly accept the US as yet another dictatorship.
@sonhouse saidNot sure what you point is but the US [and the world] needs to seriously reconsider their allies, and its old useless way of thinking. In particular
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/us-north-korea-russia-belarus-un-vote-b2703910.html
On a vote against condemning Russia for attacking Ukraine, the US now sides with all the Russian aligned states like Belerus and North Korea.
I never thought I would live to see the day we caved in totally to Russia.
Treachery at the top of our government.
If thi ...[text shortened]... on, NOTHING WILL and those right wingers will just meekly accept the US as yet another dictatorship.
- the UN and all their subsidiary organisations like WHO, UNRWA and several others
- Granting aid and financial support without monitoring to see where these funds go
- Automatic support for people claiming to be in need, when all they want your funds to buy weapons to attack surrounding nations.
NATO is another useless allegiance of nations. How is it that Russia was able attack a member of NATO, for so long, and most of the support came from the US? The world is riding the US like a donkey and laughing at Americans at the same time.
Trump is trying to stop that.
@Rajk999 saidSo the most evident error in your rambling:
Not sure what you point is but the US [and the world] needs to seriously reconsider their allies, and its old useless way of thinking. In particular
- the UN and all their subsidiary organisations like WHO, UNRWA and several others
- Granting aid and financial support without monitoring to see where these funds go
- Automatic support for people claiming to be in need, ...[text shortened]... ng the US like a donkey and laughing at Americans at the same time.
Trump is trying to stop that.
Ukraine is not (yet) a NATO member and I am not aware that Russia attacked another country that is a NATO member.
Then:
* The USA had a lot of soft power. The return of payment was always the USA getting thier will done. That led often to anti-US sentiment in populations. Now the USA won't get thier will at all.
* The USA aligning with Russia, belarus and Northern Korea has nothing to do with US fincaial aid to anybody. But with Trump's aspiration on the Peace Nobel. He won't be the bringer of peace (most probabyl) and will not be rearded by the Interbnational community.
@Ponderable saidIt is since 2008 that NATO members agreed that Ukraine will join. It is just a matter of formality plus the fact that some members fear Russia, who will be upset with NATO. The purpose of NATO was to stop Russia from expanding. Now because NATO Is lame and useless, Russia is succeeding.
So the most evident error in your rambling:
Ukraine is not (yet) a NATO member and I am not aware that Russia attacked another country that is a NATO member.
Then:
* The USA had a lot of soft power. The return of payment was always the USA getting thier will done. That led often to anti-US sentiment in populations. Now the USA won't get thier will at all.
* The ...[text shortened]... n't be the bringer of peace (most probabyl) and will not be rearded by the Interbnational community.
Trump is hoping for peace and regardless of any ulterior motive [like recognition], it is good thing. I am able to separate the two. Some people cannot. Your dislike for someone should not stop you from seeing something good in what they do.
The world has far too much war and the US can stop 90% of it. Gaza is a good exampe. Palestinians should not be allowed to rebuild Gaza. African countries should receive no aid, neither should they be allowed to buy weapons. Islamic countries nuclear capabilities should be destroyed... etc etc. Move toward peace, by force.
Trump is hoping for peace and regardless of any ulterior motive [like recognition], it is good thing. I am able to separate the two. Some people cannot. Your dislike for someone should not stop you from seeing something good in what they do.
I can see good things. Licking the boots of an aiutocratic invader is not among them.
Last I heard Putin is not stopping his trrops in any way. So what "good" has Trump brought to the table. If it would have been about "hearing Russia" the Putin would have agreed to a truce, wouldn't he?
@Ponderable saidWho gave the most to Ukraine in the last 2 years? The US did their part.
@Rajk999Trump is hoping for peace and regardless of any ulterior motive [like recognition], it is good thing. I am able to separate the two. Some people cannot. Your dislike for someone should not stop you from seeing something good in what they do.
I can see good things. Licking the boots of an aiutocratic invader is not among them.
Last I heard Putin ...[text shortened]... e. If it would have been about "hearing Russia" the Putin would have agreed to a truce, wouldn't he?
The other NATO members did peanuts.
TIme to back off and let things fall wherever ...
I am disagreeing with all wars all over the world. If a neighbour invades you, then defend yourself as best as you can, get help etc etc. After 2 years or more, it is time to stop and accept that the war is lost, and let people get back to their lives.
Are you going to fight for Ukraine?
@Rajk999 saidUS gave 120 billion in direct military aid to Ukraine, Euro gave 145 billion. So what is your bitch?
Who gave the most to Ukraine in the last 2 years? The US did their part.
The other NATO members did peanuts.
TIme to back off and let things fall wherever ...
I am disagreeing with all wars all over the world. If a neighbour invades you, then defend yourself as best as you can, get help etc etc. After 2 years or more, it is time to stop and accept that the war is lost, and let people get back to their lives.
Are you going to fight for Ukraine?
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@Rajk999 saidAre you that blind you can't see the reason Trump allies himself with fuuking DICTATORS?
Not sure what you point is but the US [and the world] needs to seriously reconsider their allies, and its old useless way of thinking. In particular
- the UN and all their subsidiary organisations like WHO, UNRWA and several others
- Granting aid and financial support without monitoring to see where these funds go
- Automatic support for people claiming to be in need, ...[text shortened]... ng the US like a donkey and laughing at Americans at the same time.
Trump is trying to stop that.
HE WANTS TO BE ONE,
What the FUUK does it take for you and the Ultrarightwingnuts to see that.
In our hour of need it was NATO who came to OUR aid from the attack on 9 11, if you remember that bit of history.
Now Trump is DUMPING 80 years of alliances and running with dictators.
And you see nothing wrong with that.
@sonhouse saidYou are not a credible source of information and you are far too emotional to discuss anything like a rational human being.
US gave 120 billion in direct military aid to Ukraine, Euro gave 145 billion. So what is your bitch?
The EU is giving Ukraine but a large proportion of it are loans.
What is the source of your information. I can bet that the same place you got your figures, it would also state that some of these are loans and not grants.
@Rajk999 saidhttps://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN11897#:~:text=The%20EU%20made%20the%20first,members%20of%20Ukraine's%20armed%20forces.
You are not a credible source of information and you are far too emotional to discuss anything like a rational human being.
The EU is giving Ukraine but a large proportion of it are loans.
What is the source of your information. I can bet that the same place you got your figures, it would also state that some of these are loans and not grants.
And you clearly approve Trump aligning with dictators.
So you WANT this new world order where world dictators including the US now just divvies up the rest of the world, like Russia gets Europe, China gets all of Asia, Us gets Greenland, Panama, Canada and central America.
Is that what you think is a good way to run the world?
In all of those dictatorial countries there is no personal freedom, no protests allowed, whatever racial biases are present in some country will never change, Blacks and Browns in the US block ALWAYS second class, which is why Trump killed DEI, can't have that equality bullshhhiitt.
@sonhouse saidToo many stupid questions in there. Regarding the Ukraine issue, there are a whole bunch of LOANS from EU to Ukraine. Not grants. The US gave GRANTS. Its a very big difference.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN11897#:~:text=The%20EU%20made%20the%20first,members%20of%20Ukraine's%20armed%20forces.
And you clearly approve Trump aligning with dictators.
So you WANT this new world order where world dictators including the US now just divvies up the rest of the world, like Russia gets Europe, China gets all of Asia, Us gets Greenland, ...[text shortened]... US block ALWAYS second class, which is why Trump killed DEI, can't have that equality bullshhhiitt.
In a nutshell, this war should end, with the loser surrendering. After 3 years if you stupid Americans are stiil fighting Russia on Ukrains soil, youall are stupid people. Trump is right to try to end it. So far this war probably is costing about $1,000 Billion US. The only people happy about it are defence contractors and people who are going to get the job to rebuild. The rest of youall are stupid.
@Rajk999 saidhttps://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/90732/is-europes-military-aid-for-ukraine-officially-a-loan-or-a-gift-grant
Too many stupid questions in there. Regarding the Ukraine issue, there are a whole bunch of LOANS from EU to Ukraine. Not grants. The US gave GRANTS. Its a very big difference.
In a nutshell, this war should end, with the loser surrendering. After 3 years if you stupid Americans are stiil fighting Russia on Ukrains soil, youall are stupid people. Trump is right to t ...[text shortened]... ence contractors and people who are going to get the job to rebuild. The rest of youall are stupid.
@sonhouse saidAt what point are you going to realise that the Ukraine war is lost. Nato and other western nation need to stop spending money and wasting lives by trying to beat Putin. Its a lost cause and it is time to stop.
https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/90732/is-europes-military-aid-for-ukraine-officially-a-loan-or-a-gift-grant
Contribution to this futile war should have been stopped over 2 years ago... what a waste .. all becuase of stupid people like you who think there is some feather in your cap to beat Putin.
@Rajk999 saidIt ain't over till its over. Z gave in to mineral rights, don't know how the rest of it will go. US is not US anymore. It is a shadow of its former self. Trump is a weakling puppet of Putin so NATURALLY voted no in the US to condemn Russia for the Ukraine war.
At what point are you going to realise that the Ukraine war is lost. Nato and other western nation need to stop spending money and wasting lives by trying to beat Putin. Its a lost cause and it is time to stop.
Contribution to this futile war should have been stopped over 2 years ago... what a waste .. all becuase of stupid people like you who think there is some feather in your cap to beat Putin.
DOGE is LYING OF COURSE about how many BILLIONS it already saved, the number was not 8 BILLION, OOPS, it really was 8 MILLION. only three orders of magnitude off, just an oversight, right?