Still claiming the election was fraudulent and now thinks the constitution should be terminated. This guy is a dangerous, narcissistic, anti-American, anti-democracy lunatic.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
“Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.”
George Washington
04 Dec 22
@divegeester saidI have to agree with him on the constitution thing. That junk is badly written and no longer relevant to our times.
Still claiming the election was fraudulent and now thinks the constitution should be terminated. This guy is a dangerous, narcissistic, anti-American, anti-democracy lunatic.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
“Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.”
George Washington
As for your analysis of trump: spot on.
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@shavixmir saidJust out of curiosity, have you ever read it?
I have to agree with him on the constitution thing. That junk is badly written and no longer relevant to our times.
As for your analysis of trump: spot on.
I'm asking because every time someone bashes the Constitution, I find that almost none of them have even read it, they are just repeating something they were told by other haters.
04 Dec 22
@jj-adams saidAs a Canadian, I haven't.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever read it?
I'm asking because every time someone bashes the Constitution, I find that almost none of them have even read it, they are just repeating something they were told by other haters.
Maybe I should.
A better question.
Has Trump read it ?
@divegeester saidNot just the Constitution, but rules in general, he wants put in abeyance, but not for everyone, mind you, only for himself. You know, like whether his motorcade has to stop for red lights or whether he has to pay taxes or how votes are counted. No rules at all, just so long as Trumpty Dumpty wins. What a pathetic little man he is. Never learned to cope with setbacks.
Still claiming the election was fraudulent and now thinks the constitution should be terminated. This guy is a dangerous, narcissistic, anti-American, anti-democracy lunatic.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
“Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.”
George Washington
05 Dec 22
@shavixmir saidAmendments enable adjustments to be made to the Constitution. It is a well written document that can serve us well in the 21st century and beyond.
I have to agree with him on the constitution thing. That junk is badly written and no longer relevant to our times.
As for your analysis of trump: spot on.
@jj-adams saidHow is that possible?
Just out of curiosity, have you ever read it?
I'm asking because every time someone bashes the Constitution, I find that almost none of them have even read it, they are just repeating something they were told by other haters.
You guys harp on about it like your life depends on it.
It was written in a time without mass communication, without automatic weapons, when the fastest mode of transport was horse, when people owned slaves, when murdering native Americans was part of colonisation and when immigrants were the actual goal-group.
@phranny saidYeah? So how come the second amendment can’t be dragged into the 21st century then?
Amendments enable adjustments to be made to the Constitution. It is a well written document that can serve us well in the 21st century and beyond.
How come so many Americans don’t know what free speech is?
And that’s just the first two amendments.
How come the voting system it describes is so out-of-date? How the hell can it give the president so much power?
How can it allow a political office to be made out of the justice system?
How can it give a state with 15 million inhabitants the same amount of senators as a state with 3 million inhabitants?
Yes. I do know the thought proces behind it, but that was in a time when populations weren’t as city centered as they are now.
The basis is actually okay. Trias politica, separation of church and state, division of political powers (State and Federal).
But the meaty substance is quite lacking and many of the articles and amendments are outdated by historic events.
But, basically, the largest problem with it is that people see it as some sort of bible. Laws and building blocks have to change with the times.
@shavixmir saidNonetheless, it was and is a remarkable document. Unlike most political manifestos, it contains no policy stipulations, as Communist Five Year Plans do (dispossess the rich, banish intellectuals, nationalize industry, etc.). What it mostly does is regulate the peaceful transfer of power, grant the govt a few powers, and prohibit the govt from doing what nearly all govts eventually try to do anyway (arrest people without warrants, tell people what gods to believe in, etc.). It’s not perfect, and a few subsequently drafted constitutions have incorporated improvements (Ireland’s for example). Suspending it to suit one man’s vanity is a bad idea.
How is that possible?
You guys harp on about it like your life depends on it.
It was written in a time without mass communication, without automatic weapons, when the fastest mode of transport was horse, when people owned slaves, when murdering native Americans was part of colonisation and when immigrants were the actual goal-group.
05 Dec 22
@shavixmir all of the issues you mention can be dealt with via the process of amendments. While each state gets the same number of senators, the house representation is based on population. The real problem is that the SCOTUS has allowed unlimited money, including from untraceable possibly illegal sources, to penetrate the election system. The U.S. is really an oligarchy controlled by U.S. oligarchs. You can rewrite the Constitution but it wouldn't matter as long as the ultra rich control government.
05 Dec 22
@phranny saidThat the US is an oligarchy is not a conspiracy theory. Both of the two major political parties take mind boggling amounts of money from large corporations and the super rich. Often the super rich give to both sides of the aisle to ensure influence no matter who wins. Without huge amounts of money, I doubt a third party could be viable. The exception might be if Liz Cheney runs for president as an independent. Many centrist Republicans and centrist Democrats might vote for her. She has name recognition and her family is wealthy.
@shavixmir all of the issues you mention can be dealt with via the process of amendments. While each state gets the same number of senators, the house representation is based on population. The real problem is that the SCOTUS has allowed unlimited money, including from untraceable possibly illegal sources, to penetrate the election system. The U.S. is really an oligarchy cont ...[text shortened]... ou can rewrite the Constitution but it wouldn't matter as long as the ultra rich control government.
@phranny saidIt is the constitutional amendment process itself that is most likely going to cause the nation to fracture into two nations or more. There is no prospect, in the foreseeable future, of ever getting two-thirds of Congress AND three-quarters of state legislatures to agree on even the most commonsense reforms, such as abolishing the Electoral College.
@shavixmir all of the issues you mention can be dealt with via the process of amendments. While each state gets the same number of senators, the house representation is based on population. The real problem is that the SCOTUS has allowed unlimited money, including from untraceable possibly illegal sources, to penetrate the election system. The U.S. is really an oligarchy cont ...[text shortened]... ou can rewrite the Constitution but it wouldn't matter as long as the ultra rich control government.
Put simply, when 35% of the country has succumbed to madness, the other 65% doesn't have the votes to get anything done.