@kmax87 saidTrump is Seizing the opportunity, to create massive layoffs and reduce the size of the federal workforce. The exact people seven years ago, who said during the shutdown that the remaining employees could run everything without the non-essential ‘ employees..?? THAT guy? THEY will be fired now.
Presided over a shut down in 2018(the longest) and now again. This from the self proclaimed best negotiator ever.
I might not go so far as to say Trump wanted this shutdown, to accomplish such goals, but I don’t think he is real unhappy about it. Go Trump. DOGE is still operating!!!!!
@AverageJoe1 saidBut you could care less if government actually NEEDS hundreds of thousands of workers to make government work smoothly.
Trump is Seizing the opportunity, to create massive layoffs and reduce the size of the federal workforce. The exact people seven years ago, who said during the shutdown that the remaining employees could run everything without the non-essential ‘ employees..?? THAT guy? THEY will be fired now.
I might not go so far as to say Trump wanted this shutdown, to acc ...[text shortened]... such goals, but I don’t think he is real unhappy about it. Go Trump. DOGE is still operating!!!!!
You buy into the bullcrap puked out by Trump as if he was a genius.
Guess what. He is NOT a genius. He is an old man losing what brains he had and every day his mental decline gets worse.
I guess you missed his little speech where he could not pronounce the word acetaminophen? Just as one minor example.
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@AverageJoe1 saidTrump is Seizing the opportunity, to create massive layoffs and reduce the size of the federal workforce.
Trump is Seizing the opportunity, to create massive layoffs and reduce the size of the federal workforce. The exact people seven years ago, who said during the shutdown that the remaining employees could run everything without the non-essential ‘ employees..?? THAT guy? THEY will be fired now.
I might not go so far as to say Trump wanted this shutdown, to acc ...[text shortened]... such goals, but I don’t think he is real unhappy about it. Go Trump. DOGE is still operating!!!!!
**Excuse me Mr. Einstein, but have you considered the fact that these people provide much needed support for our armed services, justice system, food safety, income tax collections, and that firing them will cripple the way things operate?
I know it's fun to label our government as evil, and to declare war on the working class, but these people do some pretty important work. I included some info. on this below since a 6-year old's knowledge of computer links has challenged you on the past.
Key Takeaways
The Trump administration has fired thousands of federal employees during its first month in office.
Mass layoffs of federal employees could have a significant, mixed impact on the economy.
Shrinking the federal workforce could reduce federal spending and help with budget deficits.
Mass firings could raise the unemployment rate significantly in locations where the federal government is a major employer.
If basic government services like food safety, tax collection, and disease research are disrupted, the economy could suffer.
Experts have identified some potential economic benefits and big risks from President Donald Trump's mass firing of federal workers.
In the first month of Donald Trump's presidency, he and his billionaire advisor Elon Musk have moved rapidly to reduce the size of the federal workforce. Trump has frozen hiring at all federal agencies and ordered "large-scale reductions in force" through buyout offers and layoffs.
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Out of the 2.4 million non-postal and non-military federal employees, 75,000 reportedly accepted buyout offers to leave their jobs.
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Last week, a slew of federal agencies fired thousands of employees with probationary employment status, mainly those in their first year on the job, a move potentially affecting hundreds of thousands of workers.
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On top of that, the administration has moved to dismantle at least two agencies, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the U.S. Agency for International Development, and threatened to close the Department of Education. Unions representing federal workers have challenged the moves in court.
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How Layoffs Could Affect the Federal Budget
Some economists saw potential benefits in Trump's policies to the extent that they reduce federal spending.
The U.S. persistently runs a budget deficit, which adds to the national debt every year and potentially threatens the country's financial stability and the ability to respond to future crises. In 2024, the U.S. spent $1.8 trillion more than it took in, adding to the national debt.
"While they might hurt growth in the short run, it's likely that higher taxes and lower spending will help growth in the long run by reducing the swollen federal budget deficit, which is putting upward pressure on interest rates and crowding out private investment." Robert Fry, an independent forecaster, said in a commentary.
However, mass firings of workers are likely to make only a small dent in the overall federal budget.
Assuming a 10% reduction in the federal workforce of 2.4 million people, the government would save $25 billion annually, economists at Deutsche Bank calculated. That would be less than 1% of federal spending, which amounted to $6.75 trillion last year.
The economists said a significant reduction in the federal deficit cannot happen without raising new taxes or making changes to the big entitlement programs. Social Security, Medicare, the military, and interest payments on the national debt take up most of the federal budget each year.
How Federal Layoffs Could Affect the Economy
Firing large numbers of federal workers also carries real risks to the economy.
Should the Trump administration achieve its goal of reducing the federal workforce by 75%, the unemployment rate would skyrocket in places where the federal government is a major employer. In Washington D.C., for example, the unemployment rate would spike to 9.6% from its current level of 2.8%, an analysis by think tank the Urban Institute found in January.
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The layoffs reportedly included personnel at the Federal Aviation Administration working on air travel safety; staff at the Food and Drug Administration who worked on baby formula safety; employees at the National Institutes of Health overseeing grants for outside research on cancer and other diseases; workers at Department of Agriculture labs who were working to control the ongoing bird flu epidemic that is ravaging poultry flocks across the country; and workers at the IRS who are in the midst of tax season.
Disruptions to government services could backfire on Trump's cost-saving efforts. For example, layoffs at the IRS could delay the processing of taxpayers' returns. They could also reduce federal revenue because fewer IRS workers would make tax cheats less likely to be caught, Elaine Kamarck, director of the Center for Effective Public Management at the Brookings Institution, wrote in a commentary.
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"The agencies and jobs that are disappearing play vital roles in protecting the public, supporting the safety net, and bolstering demand for U.S. products, among many other functions," Adam Kamins, and Justin Begley, economists at Moody's Analytics, wrote in a commentary. "This injects additional uncertainty into an environment that is already littered with risk."
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P.S. We sure don't see anything in Trump's plans to close those tax loopholes for billionaires, which would provide much needed revenue to pay down the national debt now do we? 😏
@sonhouse saidI cannot pronounce it either. Bush could not pronounce nuclear (Nucolire, I think.) Dapagliflozin is hard enough even to spell. Don’t you think.? Where would you put accentuation? Oh, can you pronounce it? I bet you can. Obiltoxaximad ….can you pronounce it? While addressing thousands, on your feet, for hours at a time?. What weekday is it!!?? Quick!!!
But you could care less if government actually NEEDS hundreds of thousands of workers to make government work smoothly.
You buy into the bullcrap puked out by Trump as if he was a genius.
Guess what. He is NOT a genius. He is an old man losing what brains he had and every day his mental decline gets worse.
I guess you missed his little speech where he could not pronounce the word acetaminophen? Just as one minor example.
You say hundreds of thousands of workers are needed. I don’t know the numbers myself, I am sure you are exactly right as you usually are, but I will say that I truly do care that the government runs smoothly no matter how many government workers it takes. Remember that Susie said we need to hire everybody that needs to have a job That was a tough nut for me to try to crack.,!
For the record, I never said Trump was a genius except in a casual reference as to how good he wasn’t negotiating, sometimes the word genius can be used colloquially. He is not a genius to my knowledge. But just notice how he takes advantage of a shutdown instead of whining about it, he makes a silk purse out of a sows ear with what he does over the next few days. Genius,, And, man, can he read people.
@AverageJoe1 saidIt is not YOU calling Trump genius or not that upsets me. What upsets me is TRUMP saying he is a genius, SEVERAL TIMES actually, I am a STABLE GENIUS.
I cannot pronounce it either. Bush could not pronounce nuclear (Nucolire, I think.) Dapagliflozin is hard enough even to spell. Don’t you think.? Where would you put accentuation? Oh, can you pronounce it? I bet you can. Obiltoxaximad ….can you pronounce it? While addressing thousands, on your feet, for hours at a time?. What weekday is it!!?? Quick!!!
You say h ...[text shortened]... out of a sows ear with what he does over the next few days. Genius,, And, man, can he read people.
THAT is the sign of one sick SOB.
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@sonhouse saidHe sometimes reminds me of our autistic son. You ask him a question about one thing and his answer has nothing to do with the questioned asked. Now having said that in our case it really doesn’t matter, in Trump’s case well, it’s scary.🤔
It is not YOU calling Trump genius or not that upsets me. What upsets me is TRUMP saying he is a genius, SEVERAL TIMES actually, I am a STABLE GENIUS.
THAT is the sign of one sick SOB.
@Great-Big-Stees saidAnd with this talk about section 25 on Trump, if that works then we get VANCE as POTUS. I think if anything Vance is more radical than Trump MAYBE.
He sometimes reminds me of our autistic son. You ask him a question about one thing and his answer has nothing to do with the questioned asked. Now having said that in our case it really doesn’t matter, in Trump’s case well, it’s scary.🤔
Can't even THINK about how far down the list you have to go with POTUS candidates if Trump is gone how far down the list do you have to go to get someone who would actually run the country like a REAL PRESIDENT.
That lets off Vance, Mike Johnson, a Christian nationalist. and going down the list I think you have to get past 50 folks before you even FIND a democrat in that list.
So it won't make much difference in the way the country is run with ANY of the possible POTUS's, they are ALL EXACTLY the same, they WANT a dictatorship and if they can't have that they will be happy with the US becoming a white nationalist country.
@sonhouse said, Yeah, he should not do that. He is already so successful and such a great president, Why say stupid things like that, I agree with you. He’s been so successful, all the way back to the plaza hotel in New York and everybody laughed at him and it made him billions of dollars he’s just real smart. Maybe he should say he is smart, but not say he is a genius that I would understand
It is not YOU calling Trump genius or not that upsets me. What upsets me is TRUMP saying he is a genius, SEVERAL TIMES actually, I am a STABLE GENIUS.
THAT is the sign of one sick SOB.
@AverageJoe1 saidSo successful AND a great president.
, Yeah, he should not do that. He is already so successful and such a great president, Why say stupid things like that, I agree with you. He’s been so successful, all the way back to the plaza hotel in New York and everybody laughed at him and it made him billions of dollars he’s just real smart. Maybe he should say he is smart, but not say he is a genius that I would understand
Just shows how far into the fringe you really are.
Trump is CORRUPT and THAT is why he is raking in BILLIONS now AS A SITTING PRESIDENT, FIRST TIME IN US HISTORY a POTUS uses his political power to make himself richer, a LOT richer. TWO BILLION richer thanks to the bribe given him by UAE. and funny thing, a month later they get a sweetheart deal buying US military equipment.
TOTAL COINCIDENCE OF COURSE Since Trump ONLY ever thinks about the plight of the common folks here.
@mchill saidI get your point, although I cannot read all this stuff. You are correct that we need to get just the right amount of people, no more or no less, to perform all government functions as provided in the constitution, and as provided by our laws. This would not include DEI and woke considerations, which flies in the face of liberals. Some liberal such as Suzanne think that people should stay at work at the federal government because they need their jobs. Why don’t you run that by her and then gang up on me and it could be a nice discussion
Trump is Seizing the opportunity, to create massive layoffs and reduce the size of the federal workforce.
**Excuse me Mr. Einstein, but have you considered the fact that these people provide much needed support for our armed services, justice system, food safety, income tax collections, and that firing them will cripple the way things operate?
I know it's fun to la ...[text shortened]... or billionaires, which would provide much needed revenue to pay down the national debt now do we? 😏
But one prerequisite, That we all agree that no DEI or woke is taken into consideration.
PURE meritocracy has to run govt.
But feel free to say that you are all for paying healthcare for illegal aliens. That is the fun part of the forum for us to hear stuff like that.
@AverageJoe1 saidWe sure as HELL won't get the 'right' amount of workers in fed jobs. They are ALREADY understaffed. Like the national parks, almost ALL run by volunteers, no experts from fed are there,
I get your point, although I cannot read all this stuff. You are correct that we need to get just the right amount of people, no more or no less, to perform all government functions as provided in the constitution, and as provided by our laws. This would not include DEI and woke considerations, which flies in the face of liberals. Some liberal such as Suzanne think that ...[text shortened]... ng healthcare for illegal aliens. That is the fun part of the forum for us to hear stuff like that.
and same with most other agencies.
I guess you have some problem thinking we can service a THIRD OF A BILLION PEOPLE in the US with just a couple thousand workers.
Why not just make it a couple HUNDRED fed workers? What could POSSIBLY go wrong.
@sonhouse saidSomeone else tag-team SHouse tonight, I am out on the town celebrating America.
So successful AND a great president.
Just shows how far into the fringe you really are.
Trump is CORRUPT and THAT is why he is raking in BILLIONS now AS A SITTING PRESIDENT, FIRST TIME IN US HISTORY a POTUS uses his political power to make himself richer, a LOT richer. TWO BILLION richer thanks to the bribe given him by UAE. and funny thing, a month later they get a sweeth ...[text shortened]...
TOTAL COINCIDENCE OF COURSE Since Trump ONLY ever thinks about the plight of the common folks here.
Now what about Trump success should I bring up at the dinner table?
@sonhouse saidI never said couple thousand. Drink some water.
We sure as HELL won't get the 'right' amount of workers in fed jobs. They are ALREADY understaffed. Like the national parks, almost ALL run by volunteers, no experts from fed are there,
and same with most other agencies.
I guess you have some problem thinking we can service a THIRD OF A BILLION PEOPLE in the US with just a couple thousand workers.
Why not just make it a couple HUNDRED fed workers? What could POSSIBLY go wrong.