@AverageJoe1
So are you for us pulling out of Afghanistan or what? Did you think the Taliban were going to just OK, lets do that power sharing thing you were talking about.
We had a very small force there and the presence of that force, as small as it was, totally or mostly stopped the Taliban from taking over, but now that we are leaving, the Afghan's themselves are too afraid of the Taliban to actually fight them.
Even thought they have a 300,000 odd man army.
So now the Afghan POTUS skipped town.
Yep, ALL Biden's fault. OFF with his HEAD. Trump would have done a MUCH better job.
It is deja vu all over again. Ever hear of the VIETNAM war? EXACTLY the same. We pulled out but the South Vietnamese did not have the guts or determination to stop the North from winning.
That is exactly what is happening in Afghanistan as we speak. That 300K man army just ran off basically. They needed some real leadership and the fact the POTUS skipped town shows just how effective the old government actually was.
Now life for women and girls there are going to be hell.
No school for girls, because we want those girls to be girl toys for our wonderful fighters and we want those 8 year old boys for our army.
Oh, and women can forget working.
They are ONLY good for FUKKING.
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@sonhouse saidimagine if biden had stuck to Trumps departure agreement with the Taliban. You do know that is why they used force to overtake afghanistan dont you?
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So are you for us pulling out of Afghanistan or what? Did you think the Taliban were going to just OK, lets do that power sharing thing you were talking about.
We had a very small force there and the presence of that force, as small as it was, totally or mostly stopped the Taliban from taking over, but now that we are leaving, the Afghan's themselves are too a ...[text shortened]... 8 year old boys for our army.
Oh, and women can forget working.
They are ONLY good for FUKKING.
Of course you dont, your news sources would never tell you that
@mott-the-hoople saidThanks Mott. It’s only Sonhouse, but he rants for them all. The issue is that Trump (THIS WEEK) would be handling it with a big stick. Biden’s weary hands could not carry a stick. I don’t think we have time to discuss past history.1
imagine if biden had stuck to Trumps departure agreement with the Taliban. You do know that is why they used force to overtake afghanistan dont you?
Of course you dont, your news sources would never tell you that
@AverageJoe1
Ah, so TRUMP would have saved Afghanistan? Just how would he have done that since HE said he was withdrawing troops?
What, go back but now with a MILLION man army to kill every Taliban in the middle east? Is THAT how we should have dealt with them?
You are so full of shyte you can't and never WILL think for yourself, ONLY in following the words of an anti science, anti HUMAN POTUS in TRUMP, a PROVEN liar.
He lies because it gives him PLEASURE. THAT was from his Niece Mary who now has a Phd in psychology and grew up with him and knows him better than almost ANYONE and she wrote it all up in her book 'Never enough' and now a book about what engendered the rise of Trump in the first place.
You do know that trip down the escalator, for instance, all those folks surrounding him were PAID ACTORS.
I guess you figure LYING about that is ok especially if that liar is TRUMP since we believe ALL his lies.
@mott-the-hoople saidtrump wanted out of Afghanistan by May 1st.
imagine if biden had stuck to Trumps departure agreement with the Taliban. You do know that is why they used force to overtake afghanistan dont you?
Of course you dont, your news sources would never tell you that
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@shavixmir saiddid you mean to make a point here?
trump wanted out of Afghanistan by May 1st.
@sonhouse saidI guess we can prove that Biden is a liar. Like we proved Obama is a liar. So what is your point? Get a grip/.
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Ah, so TRUMP would have saved Afghanistan? Just how would he have done that since HE said he was withdrawing troops?
What, go back but now with a MILLION man army to kill every Taliban in the middle east? Is THAT how we should have dealt with them?
You are so full of shyte you can't and never WILL think for yourself, ONLY in following the words of an anti ...[text shortened]... ss you figure LYING about that is ok especially if that liar is TRUMP since we believe ALL his lies.
So where is your savior Biden? Not saving immigrant kids,, that its fir sure. We can't compare his golf rounds to those of Trump, because Biden is too weak, in many ways, to even play golf, for god sakes. I would not be surprised if he did not return from sick leave.
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@averagejoe1 saidI doubt he returns too. This is the lowest the US has ever been. Damn those establishment pigs.
I guess we can prove that Biden is a liar. Like we proved Obama is a liar. So what is your point? Get a grip/.
So where is your savior Biden? Not saving immigrant kids,, that its fir sure. We can't compare his golf rounds to those of Trump, because Biden is too weak, in many ways, to even play golf, for god sakes. I would not be surprised if he did not return from sick leave.
@mott-the-hoople saidTrump reduced the Afghanistan presence to 2500 just before leaving.
imagine if biden had stuck to Trumps departure agreement with the Taliban. You do know that is why they used force to overtake afghanistan dont you?
Of course you dont, your news sources would never tell you that
At the time I took that to be an act of sabotage to the incoming administration.
Add to that the deal Trump struck with the Taliban in Feb/2020, we all know this was a setup.
Now Biden is going to face criticism over the execution of his plan.
But the plan was the plan.
The Afghan army just wasn't going to stand up on their own and the decision to pull the plug was the right one.
Whether the Afghans were playing America is another matter for debate.
So far, Biden is standing firm. And his decision to lay some of the blame on Trump is valid.
@mghrn55 saidWithdrawal from Afghanistan is accepting the possibility that the Taliban might regain control.
Trump reduced the Afghanistan presence to 2500 just before leaving.
At the time I took that to be an act of sabotage to the incoming administration.
Add to that the deal Trump struck with the Taliban in Feb/2020, we all know this was a setup.
Now Biden is going to face criticism over the execution of his plan.
But the plan was the plan.
The Afghan army just wasn't goin ...[text shortened]... ate.
So far, Biden is standing firm. And his decision to lay some of the blame on Trump is valid.
It seems our intelligence agencies did not anticipate such a quick and total collapse of our puppet government there (it took 3 years for the Afghans to overthrown the Soviet puppet one after their withdrawal) but that merely shows how ineffectual US policy there has been for 20 years. Biden's going to take a lot of "he lost Afghanistan" BS but Trump's surrender agreement of last February was just as much an admission of defeat as Biden's decision to accept the inevitable.
@no1marauder saidOK, you and Sonhouse discuss yesterday. And throw in a little blame here and there. After you are through..................
Withdrawal from Afghanistan is accepting the possibility that the Taliban might regain control.
It seems our intelligence agencies did not anticipate such a quick and total collapse of our puppet government there (it took 3 years for the Afghans to overthrown the Soviet puppet one after their withdrawal) but that merely shows how ineffectual US policy there has been f ...[text shortened]... last February was just as much an admission of defeat as Biden's decision to accept the inevitable.
Tell us what Biden is doing TODAY to fix the mess that (those upon whom the blame must fall!) have us in now with Afghanistan. Now. Today. While Biden in on his 18th visit to Delaware.
You can do this , Marauder.
@averagejoe1 saidOur troops, diplomats and others are being withdrawn in an orderly fashion as are Afghans who worked with the US.
OK, you and Sonhouse discuss yesterday. And throw in a little blame here and there. After you are through..................
Tell us what Biden is doing TODAY to fix the mess that (those upon whom the blame must fall!) have us in now with Afghanistan. Now. Today. While Biden in on his 18th visit to Delaware.
You can do this , Marauder.
That is all he can do unless you want him to re-start the war.
Is that what right wingers want NOW?
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@no1marauder saidno they are not…airport is shut downget up to date if you are going to comment
Our troops, diplomats and others are being withdrawn in an orderly fashion as are Afghans who worked with the US.
That is all he can do unless you want him to re-start the war.
Is that what right wingers want NOW?
Trump had a peaceful plan. biden just cut and run
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@no1marauder saidit is not about defeat, everyone agrees that was inevitable. It is about retreating without loss of life. Trumps plan did just that, bidens didnt.
Withdrawal from Afghanistan is accepting the possibility that the Taliban might regain control.
It seems our intelligence agencies did not anticipate such a quick and total collapse of our puppet government there (it took 3 years for the Afghans to overthrown the Soviet puppet one after their withdrawal) but that merely shows how ineffectual US policy there has been f ...[text shortened]... last February was just as much an admission of defeat as Biden's decision to accept the inevitable.