I write this, because AOC said at a rally with Bernie, yesterday, that Trump's administration is an Oligarchy. Oligarchs are secretive like Biden, so she is wrong right out of the gate. And we can consider Biden secretive purely for ot answering questions. Get real, kids.
What is the most transparent government in history? The President answers every question, will stand there for 2 hours. Has NEVER turned his back like a 16-yr old teenage girl. He shows you where your money is being spent. The country that releases files on assassinations? Totally open. He always tells us what he is going to do. He tweets and posts every single act. He acts quickly instead of taking a nap.
Y'all have called him an oligarchy. Oligarchs are secretive. He tells and shows you everything. Oligarchy means government by the few. If Trump were an Oligarchy he would show you how its done, for god sakes!!! Biden was a cutout. Help me Rhonda
We know who is running the country.
No response needed. Hey, have y'all seen the Bernie/AOC team? They are going to fight! I defined oligarchy. Y'all define fight. Funny how y'all want big government , but yet wanted to close the government last week. Whew.
@AverageJoe1 saidYou watched an aoc rally! ? Lol
I write this, because AOC said at a rally with Bernie, yesterday, that Trump's administration is an Oligarchy. Oligarchs are secretive like Biden, so she is wrong right out of the gate. And we can consider Biden secretive purely for ot answering questions. Get real, kids.
What is the most transparent government in history? The President answers every question, will ...[text shortened]... ht. Funny how y'all want big government , but yet wanted to close the government last week. Whew.
@AverageJoe1 saidI liked it better when you said you never understood what we said.
I write this, because AOC said at a rally with Bernie, yesterday, that Trump's administration is an Oligarchy. Oligarchs are secretive like Biden, so she is wrong right out of the gate. And we can consider Biden secretive purely for ot answering questions. Get real, kids.
What is the most transparent government in history? The President answers every question, will ...[text shortened]... ht. Funny how y'all want big government , but yet wanted to close the government last week. Whew.
At least that was 'transparency'.
And much more true.
@wildgrass saidNo time for rallies or even a Trump rally, but if you zero on Newsmax or another outlet that you can be OK with,, you see all that you need to know encapsulated.
You watched an aoc rally! ? Lol
@AverageJoe1 said"oligarchy, government by the few, especially despotic power exercised by a small and privileged group for corrupt or selfish purposes."
I write this, because AOC said at a rally with Bernie, yesterday, that Trump's administration is an Oligarchy. Oligarchs are secretive like Biden, so she is wrong right out of the gate. And we can consider Biden secretive purely for ot answering questions. Get real, kids.
What is the most transparent government in history? The President answers every question, will ...[text shortened]... ht. Funny how y'all want big government , but yet wanted to close the government last week. Whew.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/oligarchy
Excellent description of a government headed by a criminal billionaire taking its marching orders from the richest man in the world and attempting to rule by decree ignoring the law and the Constitution.
@no1marauder saidFrankly, w all due respects, I can see why democrats or whomever are concerned about this liaison of our leaders. It may seem that way to you all.
"oligarchy, government by the few, especially despotic power exercised by a small and privileged group for corrupt or selfish purposes."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/oligarchy
Excellent description of a government headed by a criminal billionaire taking its marching orders from the richest man in the world and attempting to rule by decree ignoring the law and the Constitution.
So, make whatever moves you need to based on your projections. One of you is saying the markets will suffer,,,,,that , tariffs are not the way to go, etc.
I think the opposite, so what. Follow your heart and common sense, considering checks and balances. Me, I am on the train. Certainly you would see, thought, that there has to be a bit of pain at the outset of all this.
@AverageJoe1 saidHere's some unbelievable corruption at work - at first I thought this was an Onion article but it's apparently true.
I write this, because AOC said at a rally with Bernie, yesterday, that Trump's administration is an Oligarchy. Oligarchs are secretive like Biden, so she is wrong right out of the gate. And we can consider Biden secretive purely for ot answering questions. Get real, kids.
What is the most transparent government in history? The President answers every question, will ...[text shortened]... ht. Funny how y'all want big government , but yet wanted to close the government last week. Whew.
Trump issues an EO directed at law firm Paul Weiss, mad because some of their lawyers had been part of lawsuits against January 6, 2021 rioters and one had advised the NY prosecutor office regarding the criminal case against him. For those activities, Trump's order, among other things:
"To prevent the transfer of taxpayer dollars to Federal contractors whose earnings subsidize, among other things, activities that are not aligned with American interests, including racial discrimination, Government contracting agencies shall, to the extent permissible by law, require Government contractors to disclose any business they do with Paul Weiss and whether that business is related to the subject of the Government contract.
(b) The heads of all agencies shall review all contracts with Paul Weiss or with entities that disclose doing business with Paul Weiss under subsection (a) of this section. To the extent permitted by law, the heads of agencies shall:
(i) take appropriate steps to terminate any contract, to the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, including the Federal Acquisition Regulation, for which Paul Weiss has been hired to perform any service;"
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/addressing-risks-from-paul-weiss/
So the President wants to use governmental power to threaten a legitimate private business by punishing third parties with the threat of withdrawing government contracts if they dare to do business with the law firm.
Unhappily, it worked; Paul Weiss caved and actually agreed to:
" including dedicating $40 million of free legal services to "mutually agreed projects," Trump announced."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/21/paul-weiss-law-firm-trump-executive-order/82589374007/
I would have thought the word "extortion" would apply to such a scenario; the government threatens your business arrangements with customers and then withdraws its threats if you agree to do $40 million worth of work for it.
Trump is trying the same s**t with other large law firms, but at least one has shown more backbone:
"In a March 6 executive order, Trump targeted security clearances and contracts for law firm Perkins Coie, which has filed a lawsuit alleging the executive order is unconstitutional. A Washington, D.C. federal judge issued a temporary restraining order March 12 halting several restrictions in the order."
Good for them.
@no1marauder saidInteresting indeed. Sounds a bit heavy handed of Trump. I do not have time to look up 'the other side' of this, but since Weiss did indeed 'cave', could it be that he acknowledged that he was a little out of line? Was he?
Here's some unbelievable corruption at work - at first I thought this was an Onion article but it's apparently true.
Trump issues an EO directed at law firm Paul Weiss, mad because some of their lawyers had been part of lawsuits against January 6, 2021 rioters and one had advised the NY prosecutor office regarding the criminal case against him. For those activities, Tr ...[text shortened]... a temporary restraining order March 12 halting several restrictions in the order."
Good for them.
To keep this interesting, could you give us the Devil's Advocate treatment....that is, what are Trump supporters finding which support his treatment of Weiss?
@AverageJoe1 saidWeiss is big business; they probably decided it was cheaper to cough over $40 million in work then fight the case in court (plus have to face whatever retaliatory measures Trump's minions can think up). As to why MAGA supporters might not like Paul Weiss, Robert Mueller was a partner at the firm.
Interesting indeed. Sounds a bit heavy handed of Trump. I do not have time to look up 'the other side' of this, but since Weiss did indeed 'cave', could it be that he acknowledged that he was a little out of line? Was he?
To keep this interesting, could you give us the Devil's Advocate treatment....that is, what are Trump supporters finding which support his treatment of Weiss?
Perkins Coie is also big business, but they are pretty cozy with the Democratic elite plus virtually all their major clients have government contracts. So it's just good business to oppose the unconstitutional EO rather than accede.
But you like hypotheticals so I'll give you one based on the idea that the government can do what Trump is trying to do with these EOs;
President AOC in March 2028 issues an Executive Order directed at Average Joe's widget factory because some of AJ's widgets have the words "Trump is great" inscribed on them. The EO bars AJ Widgets from any government contracts and also bars anyone who buys a widget from the company from any government contracts. You call up the head of the DOJ Stacey Abrams and she tells you "Well, we'll withdraw the order if you give us $40 million worth of widgets free of charge."
OK with you? OK as a guiding principle for how the government should act?
@AverageJoe1 saidInteresting. Tune in for the propaganda
No time for rallies or even a Trump rally, but if you zero on Newsmax or another outlet that you can be OK with,, you see all that you need to know encapsulated.
@no1marauder saidSetting aside 'why' Trump does things (leave that to soothsayer Sonhouse), I see you refer to actions of Weiss (be they against Trump or not) which Trump (or any president) (or any man with commons sense) would determine to be questionable or not within the scope of law.
Here's some unbelievable corruption at work - at first I thought this was an Onion article but it's apparently true.
Trump issues an EO directed at law firm Paul Weiss, mad because some of their lawyers had been part of lawsuits against January 6, 2021 rioters and one had advised the NY prosecutor office regarding the criminal case against him. For those activities, Tr ...[text shortened]... a temporary restraining order March 12 halting several restrictions in the order."
Good for them.
So, I must here agree with Trump that certain actions of any people in such matters should be met with government regulations, and they should follow the rules and regs of govt agencies. I think we would agree with what I have said here. You can argue the 'reasons' with Sonhouse.
Next, you suggest that businesses which get in bed with obvious evasion or corruption of such rules and regs are being punished?? Call it what you will, but of course they should be. The businesses see big money coming if they get into that bed, and we citizens do not want to even Sniff that kind of crap going on.
Would you rather have a weak Kamala type seeing that everyone, everyone, is above board?? Lots of luck with that.
As to your extortion and March 6 references, I dont know about them, and I am speaking generally here, but my comments are clear. The Courts? The judges? But of course they are being asked to weigh in, like you are weghing in. I'd have to sit down in a quiet library as to the weeds you present. I can't do that.
Lastly, Trump may indeed be overstepping some boundaries, that remains to be seen if he does and he needs to be stopped. I will always go on the side of the law, not on the side of Trump, which you sometimes seem to be saying that I do. I never have.
. I've found that your support of Biden was being on the side of Biden, as illegal as the bsterd was, and not on the side of the law. So we can go that route if you want to. You supported Biden 100%. Think of it...blatant disrespect of law, and not one cross statement from you. If you throw some Trump stuff out, that is plain ignoring the law, you will find me agreeing it was wrong. Surely there is something.....but, you have never found Biden to break anything.
@AverageJoe1 saidI'm not sure why you try to change the subject back to Biden in almost every thread; besides the fact that I don't do "whataboutisms" it's simply an out and out lie that I "supported Biden 100%" - I didn't even vote for him. I did insist that allegations against him be accompanied with some actual evidence which right wingers consistently failed to provide.
Setting aside 'why' Trump does things (leave that to soothsayer Sonhouse), I see you refer to actions of Weiss (be they against Trump or not) which Trump (or any president) (or any man with commons sense) would determine to be questionable or not within the scope of law.
So, I must here agree with Trump that certain actions of any people in such matters should be met ...[text shortened]... eeing it was wrong. Surely there is something.....but, you have never found Biden to break anything.
So you don't oppose Trump having the government extort money from private businesses. Thanks for sharing.
Any accusations that a business is not in compliance with Civil Rights law is decided by regulatory action or a lawsuit, not Executive Orders threatening their customers.
EDIT: You can address my hypothetical regarding President AOC and Average Joe's Widget Co. whatever you please - you do claim to "always answer questions".
@no1marauder saidOL... Overlooked AJ Widget Emporium.
I'm not sure why you try to change the subject back to Biden in almost every thread; besides the fact that I don't do "whataboutisms" it's simply an out and out lie that I "supported Biden 100%" - I didn't even vote for him. I did insist that allegations against him be accompanied with some actual evidence which right wingers consistently failed to provide.
So you don' ...[text shortened]... nt AOC and Average Joe's Widget Co. whatever you please - you do claim to "always answer questions".
But note that I did indeed say that I am not equipped to weigh in on the tenets of these cases, so I cannot. But that I also noted that that is what courts and judges are for. If it were cut-and-dry as you imply, then Marauder, why would courts be needed. Why a lawyer on each side, both with good arguements? So, without full information and hours in a library with 5 paralegals, we cannot argue your scenario. I go with the law. And for the record, I don't like Trump either. But he may end up as our greatest president.
And I had no other comparison but to say that I am NOT following Trump blindly, but YOU Most CERTAINLY have been, with Biden for 4 years. You never uttered a bad thing about him. An appropriate comparison in my opinion. Not a whataboutism at all.
So the 'subject you say I changed.... No, it was not Biden, it was your following him blindly. Libs have trouble with issues.
If Trump is extorting money, then he should be impeached and I would be happy with JD. Did you ever comment on Biden's riches and his........oh never mind.
But you like hypotheticals so I'll give you one based on the idea that the government can do what Trump is trying to do with these EOs;I do indeed like hypos, thank you. Debaters who incorporated succinct hypos into an issue got extra marks from me.
President AOC in March 2028 issues an Executive Order directed at Average Joe's widget factory because some of AJ's widgets have the words "Trump is great" inscribed on them. The EO bars AJ Widgets from any government contracts and also bars anyone who buys a ...[text shortened]... idgets free of charge."
OK with you? OK as a guiding principle for how the government should act?
Easy one. If a pres has an EO like this, his/her whole basis being that he/she does not like a totally acceptable slogan on a widget, the President needs a whipping.
What do you take me for.