According to snopes these comments were made privately by Goering to Gustave Gilbert, a German-speaking intelligence officer and psychologist who was granted free access by the Allies to all the prisoners held in the Nuremberg jail, shortly before he was due to be executed but committed suicide by a smuggled in cyanide pill instead
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Was the sense of a waiting release of an imminent death enough of a catalyst to unlock a certain fundamental truth about the way the world operates, that still rings true today?
Originally posted by kmax87What the hell? How the hell can you call that a near death experience?
According to snopes these comments were made privately by Goering to Gustave Gilbert, a German-speaking intelligence officer and psychologist who was granted free access by the Allies to all the prisoners held in the Nuremberg jail, shortly before he was due to be executed but committed suicide by a smuggled in cyanide pill instead
"Of course the peopl ...[text shortened]... a certain fundamental truth about the way the world operates, that still rings true today?
Originally posted by MerkNo I apologize, I missed something.
Did I miss something?
Just debate the point and leave the pillocking for professionals okay?
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Originally posted by kmax87Sound more like he was an arrogant person who like boasting about his favorite pet theories. He was probably right and almost certainly knew that before the war even started so the fact that he was no death row when he said it is irrelevant.
Was the sense of a waiting release of an imminent death enough of a catalyst to unlock a certain fundamental truth about the way the world operates, that still rings true today?
I though Hitler actually wrote something to the same effect long before that.
Originally posted by kmax87What is there to debate?
No I apologize, I missed something.
Just debate the point and leave the pillocking for professionals okay?
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a commu ...[text shortened]... and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Originally posted by Merk"it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders."
What is there to debate?
Agree or disagree? It paints a very bleak view of democracy and I wondered if its just accepted as true these days, not needing any argument at all?
Originally posted by kmax87American leaders just tried to stuff an immigration policy down our necks, but we didn't follow them.
"it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders."
Agree or disagree? It paints a very bleak view of democracy and I wondered if its just accepted as true these days, not needing any argument at all?
I would say no, for the most part.
Originally posted by Merk"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
American leaders just tried to stuff an immigration policy down our necks, but we didn't follow them.
I would say no, for the most part.
You don't see this last part of the quote as being the modus operandi whereby Bush and Blair helped sell a war against Saddam?
Originally posted by kmax87No. Nobody ever told us that Iraq had attacked us.
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
You don't see this last part of the quote as being the modus operandi whereby Bush and Blair helped sell a war against Saddam?
I've already explained to you that hte mechanism doesn't work like he says.
What you're up to is more of your non stop conspiracy train.
ima stop here cuz you'n prolly gonna konjegate verbs and such whichns gonna makem mine hed raise to its maximem hert level.
Originally posted by kmax87Missy, Missy, Missy! Shirley, you must have a Phd. in the obvious.
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
You don't see this last part of the quote as being the modus operandi whereby Bush and Blair helped sell a war against Saddam?
Of course this is how many wars have started. However, some countries see the skullduggery of their leaders and are trying their best to remove themselves from such wars.....i'm be speaking of the US. And as far as those grunts fighting this war are concerned...Please do not confuse the warrior with the war.
Originally posted by smw6869After almost 8 years of rampant jingoistic militarism on the part of the US I think the rest of us cant wait quick enough for rhetoric within the US of A to just become a bit more balanced a bit more circumspect in its ways within the international sphere.
Missy, Missy, Missy! Shirley, you must have a Phd. in the obvious.
..Please do not confuse the warrior with the war.
btw I do have a handle on another forum called just that. Capt B Obverse.
Originally posted by kmax87ter·ror·ism –noun
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy ...[text shortened]... d exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes
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