12 Apr 23
https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d9bp8/us-spies-allies-south-korea-pentagon-leak
The US Is Accused of Spying on Its Allies, and No One Should Be Surprised
U.S. officials have been scrambling to mend ties with its allies following a leak of secret documents showing that the U.S. spied on its friends—again.
After dozens of pages of classified Pentagon documents were leaked online, the U.S. has been accused of spying on South Korea, sparking condemnation from some lawmakers over the revelation.
Since as early as Feb. 28, a trove of military records have circulated on social media platforms including Discord. The supposedly leaked intelligence is at least partially authentic and includes briefings for high-level Pentagon officials focusing on Russia’s aggression in Ukraine.
12 Apr 23
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As the OP mentions, this isn't even the first time:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/
The U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) used a partnership with Denmark's foreign intelligence unit to spy on senior officials of neighbouring countries, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Danish state broadcaster DR said.
According to the investigation, which covered the period from 2012 to 2014, the NSA used Danish information cables to spy on senior officials in Sweden, Norway, France and Germany
Kinda makes you laugh at the bitching over the whole "spy balloon" thing.
12 Apr 23
@vivify saidNow, actually, I seem to recall that Germany just a few years ago was caught out spying on some European allies.
As the OP mentions, this isn't even the first time:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/
The U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) used a partnership with Denmark's foreign intelligence unit to spy on senior officials of neighbouring countries, including German Chancellor Angela ...[text shortened]... nce and Germany
Kinda makes you laugh at the bitching over the whole "spy balloon" thing.
It's generally understood that everyone spies on everyone on the international stage, so the name of the game is to not get caught. Getting caught is what costs political capital.
12 Apr 23
@vivify saidHey man at least we’re discreet not shoving our cameras in their face being all like WE ARE WATCHING YOU like the Chinese
As the OP mentions, this isn't even the first time:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/
The U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) used a partnership with Denmark's foreign intelligence unit to spy on senior officials of neighbouring countries, including German Chancellor Angela ...[text shortened]... nce and Germany
Kinda makes you laugh at the bitching over the whole "spy balloon" thing.
12 Apr 23
@soothfast saidWasn’t that about the US spying on Merkel?
Now, actually, I seem to recall that Germany just a few years ago was caught out spying on some European allies.
It's generally understood that everyone spies on everyone on the international stage, so the name of the game is to not get caught. Getting caught is what costs political capital.
12 Apr 23
@shavixmir saidThat was in 2015 I think. The US National Security Agency had the cajones to wiretap Angela Merkel's phone.
Wasn’t that about the US spying on Merkel?
I'm thinking of something a bit further back, in 2013...
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/06/world/europe/scandal-over-spying-shakes-german-government.html
BERLIN — About 18 months ago, Chancellor Angela Merkel was the wronged American ally whose cellphone number was among data sucked up by American intelligence as it kept watch on Europeans.
“Spying among friends — that is simply not done,” she said after the discovery in autumn 2013, to a sympathetic domestic audience.
Within the past two weeks, the tide has turned. Ms. Merkel is back in the spotlight over spying. This time it is Germany’s foreign intelligence service, known here as the B.N.D., that is being accused of monitoring European companies and perhaps individuals. Further, the reports said the spying was done at the behest of the National Security Agency, the United States intelligence organization.
Critics have seized on the spying allegations, sensing a whiff of hypocrisy emanating from Berlin, given the German outrage over the American program. On Tuesday, Austria was the offended party, filing a legal complaint against the German and American intelligence agencies over suspicions that it was being spied on, Reuters reported...
So Germany was supposedly spying for Uncle Sam, and I can't say whether the above snippet is the whole story.
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12 Apr 23
@vivify saidbut you are OK with spying on American citizens, even branding parents terrorist.
As the OP mentions, this isn't even the first time:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/
The U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) used a partnership with Denmark's foreign intelligence unit to spy on senior officials of neighbouring countries, including German Chancellor Angela ...[text shortened]... nce and Germany
Kinda makes you laugh at the bitching over the whole "spy balloon" thing.
You libs are hard to live with.
13 Apr 23
@mott-the-hoople saidThe patriot act is republican, isn’t it?
but you are OK with spying on American citizens, even branding parents terrorist.
You libs are hard to live with.
13 Apr 23
@vivify saidHasn't the US been spying on allies all along? It only makes sense to make sure they are still our allies. Nobody trusts anybody much in the world community.
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d9bp8/us-spies-allies-south-korea-pentagon-leak
The US Is Accused of Spying on Its Allies, and No One Should Be Surprised
U.S. officials have been scrambling to mend ties with its allies following a leak of secret documents showing that the U.S. spied on its friends—again.
After dozens of ...[text shortened]... udes briefings for high-level Pentagon officials focusing on Russia’s aggression in Ukraine.
18 Apr 23
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@mott-the-hoople saidGood point. Here is a quote from Greenwald:
but you are OK with spying on American citizens, even branding parents terrorist.
You libs are hard to live with.
"Journalist Glenn Greenwald charged Sunday that the latest intelligence leaks have shown that “The U.S. government abuses its secrecy powers. They essentially label every document ‘classified information’.”
“The government always claims that people are endangered when their secrets get out, that’s not this case,” the journalist told Fox News host Howard Kurtz.
Greenwald noted that when he was working on the Snowden files, there were banal documents about vacations and parking credentials for government employees that were all classified.
“A lot of times what the government says is top secret or classified isn’t harmful to leak at all. What they often are though are secrets that the public has a right to know,” Greenwald urged.
“It’s the job of the FBI to catch people who leak classified information, [but] as a journalist, those are the people we cultivate, those are the people we rely on to do our jobs,” Greenwald further noted, adding that “Every single day the New York Times, the Washington Post, NBC News, Fox has stories along the lines of ‘senior officials told us XYZ’ and they claim that this information is classified.”
“The difference here is that this person did not give the information to the New York Times, The Washington Post, and so bizarrely they went on a hunt to find him and out him,” Greenwald said, adding “I think it’s incredibly bizarre for media corporations to unearth sources and leakers.”
Greenwald also noted that the media feels a pressure to insert itself into such cases in order to stay relevant."
https://summit.news/2023/04/17/greenwald-the-government-is-abusing-secrecy-powers/