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  1. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    11 Nov '18 14:44
    What a fantastic time to be alive:

    police force has urged people to report insults which make them feel bad even if they are not crimes.

    Under the slogan ‘Hate Hurts’, South Yorkshire Police have called upon members of the public to report incidents they know not to be criminal in order to build up a wider picture of actions which cause distress to people within the community.

    Non-crime hate incidents can include offensive or insulting comments made online, in person or in writing, but the campaign has drawn criticism from people who say the police have enough work to do.

    The move has come after an incident in Barnsley’s market square involving a woman wielding a foot long kitchen knife, who was heard shouting ‘Kill, Kill, kill’’ by witnesses.

    28-year-old Ayaan Ali has been charged with attempted murder, but police have said that since the incident, there has been an increase in Islamophobic outbursts on social media and in the streets of south Yorkshire.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/10/police-urge-public-report-insults-hurt-feelings-arent-crimes/?fbclid=IwAR1eup3MnGaVgWbQ3vSm2nnzK_Q6HKDYqECV8iWBk2ERgx5Fl0S1KgQPGSc

    I understand why people want to ban hate speech but that is a slippery slope -- and this article and this policy basically proves it.

    The British govenrment is progressively cutting into the lives of regular people while knife crime has simultaneously risen in the capitol.

    What sort of policies do you think should be in place re: free speech?
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    11 Nov '18 14:59
    Well !!
    There goes the forum. 😛
  3. Germany
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    11 Nov '18 15:06
    @philokalia said
    The British govenrment is progressively cutting into the lives of regular people
    What do you mean?
  4. Standard membershavixmir
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    11 Nov '18 18:56
    @philokalia said
    What a fantastic time to be alive:

    [quote]police force has urged people to report insults which make them feel bad even if they are not crimes.

    Under the slogan ‘Hate Hurts’, South Yorkshire Police have called upon members of the public to report incidents they know not to be criminal in order to build up a wider picture of actions which cause distress to people wit ...[text shortened]... sly risen in the capitol.

    What sort of policies do you think should be in place re: free speech?
    Two sides to this story.

    There’s a stream of thought within society, that it’s becoming ever harsher and that the boundaries of acceptable behaviour are being pushed aside.

    On the other hand, there’s this whole “I have a right not to hear the truth if its insulting” slippery slope of doom we seem to be sliding down as well.
    Pandering to every whine of a wimp.

    There are people who want to quantify and objectify this , and in so doing you need to get people reporting.
    Only by measurement can a problem and its scope be tackled.

    Only by research are we going to discover the true balance between the two and what, if anything, can and should be done about it.
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    11 Nov '18 19:05
    @philokalia said

    The British govenrment is progressively cutting into the lives of regular people while knife crime has simultaneously risen in the capitol.

    What sort of policies do you think should be in place re: free speech?
    re: free speech
    I would draw the line at poor spelling!
    "govenrment" is a forgivable typo ... but 'capitol" !!!
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    11 Nov '18 19:05
    @philokalia said
    The British govenrment is progressively cutting into the lives of regular people while knife crime has simultaneously risen in the capitol.
    Can you give some examples of “The British govenrment is progressively cutting into the lives of regular people“?

    Because frankly you are talking bollox.
  7. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    11 Nov '18 21:43
    @kazetnagorra said
    What do you mean?
    If a person speaks their mind, and it is thought of as insulting, they face consequences.
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    11 Nov '18 22:22
    @philokalia said
    If a person speaks their mind, and it is thought of as insulting, they face consequences.
    You're being coy. Are you speaking of British neo-Nazis (such as the ones re-tweeted by Donald Trump) being investigated for hate crimes?
  9. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    11 Nov '18 22:29
    @kazetnagorra said
    You're being coy. Are you speaking of British neo-Nazis (such as the ones re-tweeted by Donald Trump) being investigated for hate crimes?
    No, not at all.

    Regular British that want to robustly criticize immigration policy or Islam face major legal issues if they use the same lexicon as those who criticize Christians or who critique conservatives.

    Are you talking about Tommy Robinson? Because he's not actually a Nazi at all.
  10. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    11 Nov '18 22:30
    Kazet, so do you support everyone being able to say what they want about Christianity?

    How about Islam?

    How about immigration?
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    @divegeester said
    Can you give some examples of “The British govenrment is progressively cutting into the lives of regular people“?

    Because frankly you are talking bollox.
    I don’t actually think it’s got anything to do with governments.

    Universities decline speakers who’s topics are non-mainstream, judgement by twitter, banning of in-context use of the word nigger, the whole sueing for damages culture which is growing, terms such as mansplaining, etc.

    I have a collegue who says it’s the feminization of society.
    I have a lot of feminist friends who are rather politically incorrect and would headbutt someone for using the term mansplaining.

    Something’s going on.
    Just don’t really know what.
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    12 Nov '18 07:51
    @philokalia said
    No, not at all.

    Regular British that want to robustly criticize immigration policy or Islam face major legal issues if they use the same lexicon as those who criticize Christians or who critique conservatives.

    Are you talking about Tommy Robinson? Because he's not actually a Nazi at all.
    You don't face "major legal issues" for "robust criticism" in the U.K., don't be absurd.

    Tommy Robinson is a former leader of the British Islamaphobic group, the English Defence League.
  13. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    Man arrested after teaching his dog to perofrm Nazi salute as a prank.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/09/nazi-pug-man-arrested-after-teaching-girlfriends-dog-to-perform/

    American arrested for referencing homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle.

    https://moonbattery.com/american-arrested-in-britain-for-preaching-gospel/

    The very famous case of Felix Ngole who was expelled for his view that homoexual marriage is wrong.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/12176380/Christian-student-expelled-for-opposing-gay-marriage.html

    Man jailed for leaving a bacon sandwich outside a mosque is found dead in prison halfway through his 12-month sentence

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4075328/Man-jailed-leaving-bacon-sandwiched-outside-mosque-dead-prison-half-way-12-month-sentence.html

    Even the UK's anti-extremism tsar is pointing out that the Islamists are using allegations of Islamophobia to stifle debate and undermine freedom.
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/uks-counter-extremism-tsar-warns-that-jihad-groups-cynically-use-islamophobia-charges-as-weapon

    3,395 Britains arrested in 2016 for Hate Speech.
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2017/10/14/british-police-arrest-at-least-3395-people-for-offensive-online-comments-one-year/
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    12 Nov '18 15:51
    @philokalia said
    Man arrested after teaching his dog to perofrm Nazi salute as a prank.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/09/nazi-pug-man-arrested-after-teaching-girlfriends-dog-to-perform/

    American arrested for referencing homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle.

    https://moonbattery.com/american-arrested-in-britain-for-preaching-gospel/

    [i]The very famous case o ...[text shortened]... europe/2017/10/14/british-police-arrest-at-least-3395-people-for-offensive-online-comments-one-year/
    Which of these alleged cases involved an individual facing legal consequences for "robust criticism"?
  15. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    12 Nov '18 23:10
    @kazetnagorra said
    Which of these alleged cases involved an individual facing legal consequences for "robust criticism"?
    Felix Ngole.

    Just saw this, too:

    Police investigating nearly 100,000 hate crimes

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/16/hate-crime-linked-religion-doubled-three-years/

    Meanwhile, less than five percent of burglaries are solved in the UK.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/06/17/less-than-five-percent-of-uk-burglaries-and-robberies-solved/

    The murder rate is also at a ten year high.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6815984/uk-crime-statistics-stabbings-knife-murder-rates-increase-2018/
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