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  1. Zugzwang
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    18 Oct '20 18:50
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/18/iran-hails-lifting-un-arms-embargo-momentous-day-sanctions-us-protests

    "Iran hails lifting of 13-year UN arms embargo as 'momentous day:

    "But Iran’s parlous financial state, and the continued threat of US sanctions
    on anyone trading with the country, means Tehran is unlikely to go on a
    short-term buying spree, or reach anything like the defence spending
    levels of its chief Gulf rivals Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirate."

    "The European Union and the UK are to maintain a separate arms
    embargo on Iran despite the lifting of the UN one."

    "In 2019, Saudi Arabia spent almost $80bn on defence, the same as
    Iran spent over the previous four years combined, according to the
    London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies."
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    18 Oct '20 23:151 edit
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/18/iran-hails-lifting-un-arms-embargo-momentous-day-sanctions-us-protests

    "Iran hails lifting of 13-year UN arms embargo as 'momentous day:

    "But Iran’s parlous financial state, and the continued threat of US sanctions
    on anyone trading with the country, means Tehran is unlikely to go on a
    short-term buying spree, or reach ...[text shortened]... four years combined, according to the
    London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies."
    "In 2019, Saudi Arabia spent almost $80bn on defence, the same as
    Iran spent over the previous four years combined, according to the
    London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies."


    It would be really nice if every country in the world would cut their defence spending, pay off their debts, and spend a little more on infrastructure, clean energy projects, and helping the poor. It's not going to happen of course, but hope springs eternal.
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    Maybe after people realize religion is not meant to be a reason for violence.
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    18 Oct '20 23:35
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/18/iran-hails-lifting-un-arms-embargo-momentous-day-sanctions-us-protests

    "Iran hails lifting of 13-year UN arms embargo as 'momentous day:

    "But Iran’s parlous financial state, and the continued threat of US sanctions
    on anyone trading with the country, means Tehran is unlikely to go on a
    short-term buying spree, or reach ...[text shortened]... four years combined, according to the
    London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies."
    Present-day Iran has done more for middle east peace than anyone in the past 25 years.

    Iran has succeeded in so thoroughly antagonizing the Gulf states that fear of Iran has driven them towards peace with Israel.

    Well done.
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    18 Oct '20 23:44
    @sh76 said
    Present-day Iran has done more for middle east peace than anyone in the past 25 years.

    Iran has succeeded in so thoroughly antagonizing the Gulf states that fear of Iran has driven them towards peace with Israel.

    Well done.
    Yosemites Unite!
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    @sh76 said
    Present-day Iran has done more for middle east peace than anyone in the past 25 years.

    Iran has succeeded in so thoroughly antagonizing the Gulf states that fear of Iran has driven them towards peace with Israel.

    Well done.
    That is one strange way to view it. Interesting!
  7. Zugzwang
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    19 Oct '20 00:59
    @sh76 said
    Present-day Iran has done more for middle east peace than anyone in the past 25 years.

    Iran has succeeded in so thoroughly antagonizing the Gulf states that fear of Iran has driven them towards peace with Israel.

    Well done.
    First of all, the Gulf states never have been at war against Israel.
    Note that Sh76 prefers to harp upon that triviality while ignoring Israel's worsening oppression of the Palestinians.

    Sh76 also shows ignorance (at best) of history.
    During the Iran-Iraq War, Iraq (which invaded Iran) was strongly supported by Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states, and Egypt (which sent troops to fight Iran).
    The USA also supported Iraq in all but name.

    But Israel reckoned that Iran was then the 'lesser evil'.
    Israel sold (at inflated prices) spare parts for Iran's arsenal
    (inherited from the Shah) of American arms.
    Israel obtained spare parts for F-4 Phantoms from the USA
    (which had an embargo on Iran) and made a big profit reselling them to Iran.
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    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/18/iran-hails-lifting-un-arms-embargo-momentous-day-sanctions-us-protests

    "Iran hails lifting of 13-year UN arms embargo as 'momentous day:

    "But Iran’s parlous financial state, and the continued threat of US sanctions
    on anyone trading with the country, means Tehran is unlikely to go on a
    short-term buying spree, or reach ...[text shortened]... four years combined, according to the
    London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies."
    Actually Iran will need to buy arms to suppress its' own population . I get a Facebook feed from Iran . Savak-like tactics are being used against those who speak out against the regime .
  9. Zugzwang
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    @caissad4 said
    Actually Iran will need to buy arms to suppress its' own population . I get a Facebook feed from Iran . Savak-like tactics are being used against those who speak out against the regime .
    Iran's arms industry has long been capable of supplying the needs of internal security.

    Iran's purchase, if it can, of a Russian S-400 air defense system
    would make it riskier for the USA or Israel to bomb Iran,
    but it would be irrelevant to counterinsurgency in Iran.
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    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/18/iran-hails-lifting-un-arms-embargo-momentous-day-sanctions-us-protests

    "Iran hails lifting of 13-year UN arms embargo as 'momentous day:

    "But Iran’s parlous financial state, and the continued threat of US sanctions
    on anyone trading with the country, means Tehran is unlikely to go on a
    short-term buying spree, or reach ...[text shortened]... four years combined, according to the
    London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies."
    This is probably why Trump ended the nuclear deal with Iran.

    He wants to sell them nukes.
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    @suzianne said
    This is probably why Trump ended the nuclear deal with Iran.

    He wants to sell them nukes.
    Iran is still under U.S. sanctions, so I doubt that. It probably has much more to do with the fact that Trump wants to erase anything Obama had a hand in.
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    @vivify said
    Iran is still under U.S. sanctions, so I doubt that. It probably has much more to do with the fact that Trump wants to erase anything Obama had a hand in.
    You're right though. Donald can't think ahead to tomorrow, let alone months down the road.

    "All that stuff is boring. Let's talk about me."
  13. Zugzwang
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    19 Oct '20 17:06
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/18/iran-hails-lifting-un-arms-embargo-momentous-day-sanctions-us-protests

    "Iran hails lifting of 13-year UN arms embargo as 'momentous day:

    "But Iran’s parlous financial state, and the continued threat of US sanctions
    on anyone trading with the country, means Tehran is unlikely to go on a
    short-term buying spree, or reach ...[text shortened]... four years combined, according to the
    London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies."
    This article (in Russian) suggests that Russia should 'donate' some old MiG-29s
    (at little or no cost up front) to Iran in order to enhance Russian influence there.

    https://nvo.ng.ru/gpolit/2020-06-25/8_1097_iran.html
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    20 Oct '20 00:30
    @duchess64 said
    Iran's arms industry has long been capable of supplying the needs of internal security.

    Iran's purchase, if it can, of a Russian S-400 air defense system
    would make it riskier for the USA or Israel to bomb Iran,
    but it would be irrelevant to counterinsurgency in Iran.
    The S-400 ADS was obsolete the minute it arrived in Iran.
    Russia just unloaded a bunch of shiny junk to a desperate client.
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    @wolfe63 said
    The S-400 ADS was obsolete the minute it arrived in Iran.
    Russia just unloaded a bunch of shiny junk to a desperate client.
    It's the best SAM system in the world isn't it?
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