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  1. Zugzwang
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    11 Feb '21 09:20
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavirus-response-donald-trump-health-policy

    "US could have averted 40% of Covid deaths, says panel examining Trump's policies"

    "The US could have averted 40% of the deaths from Covid-19, had the
    country’s death rates corresponded with the rates in other high-income
    G7 countries, according to a Lancet commission tasked with assessing
    Donald Trump’s health policy record."

    "Dr Mary T Bassett, a commission member and director of Harvard University’s
    FXB Center for Health and Human Rights, told the Guardian:
    “The US has fared so badly with this pandemic, but the bungling
    can’t be attributed only to Mr Trump, it also has to do with these
    societal failures … That’s not going to be solved by a vaccine.”

    "To determine how many deaths from Covid the US could have avoided,
    the commission weighted the average death rate in the other G7
    countries – Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the UK – and
    compared it to the US death rate."
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    11 Feb '21 11:23
    France, Italy, and the UK are averaging 1480 deaths per million population versus the USA's 1450 per million so I'd like to know where these doctors get off making such an asinine claim.
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    11 Feb '21 12:062 edits
    @dood111 said
    France, Italy, and the UK are averaging 1480 deaths per million population versus the USA's 1450 per million so I'd like to know where these doctors get off making such an asinine claim.
    Asinine? UK and Italy are doing worse than the US, but France and Germany and Canada are doing better, and Japan's doing WAY better at 52dpm. Do the math.
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    11 Feb '21 12:41
    @kewpie said
    Asinine? UK and Italy are doing worse than the US, but France and Germany and Canada are doing better, and Japan's doing WAY better at 52dpm. Do the math.
    Yeah, and Sweden , which did nothing, no lock downs, no schools closed, no masks, is doing better than the US too.
    Which shows that the doctors making these what-if predictions are just full of hot air.
    The US did lock downs, sheltered in place, closed schools, required masks, what else would these doctors suggest that would have supposedly prevented 40% of the deaths?
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    11 Feb '21 13:04
    @dood111 said
    Yeah, and Sweden , which did nothing, no lock downs, no schools closed, no masks, is doing better than the US too.
    Which shows that the doctors making these what-if predictions are just full of hot air.
    The US did lock downs, sheltered in place, closed schools, required masks, what else would these doctors suggest that would have supposedly prevented 40% of the deaths?
    "Which shows that the doctors making these what-if predictions are just full of hot air. "
    oh you adjusted for population density, did you? With your years of working in the field.
    It always amuses me when idiots on the internet who probably flunked highschool biology say stuff like "... which proves that renowned experts with decades of experience in the field are just full of hot air"

    The fact that the swedes regret now doing nothing and admit it was a mistake doesn't merit consideration, huh?

    Imbecile
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    11 Feb '21 13:28
    Those doctors are just engaging in the Let's Beat Up On Trump game.
    They don't have a clue as to how many deaths could have been saved because they don't have any recommendations that are different than what we already did.
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    @dood111 said
    Those doctors are just engaging in the Let's Beat Up On Trump game.
    They don't have a clue as to how many deaths could have been saved because they don't have any recommendations that are different than what we already did.
    "Those doctors are just engaging in the Let's Beat Up On Trump game. "
    yes, there is good money to be had in joining this beat up on trump game and saying something that according to you is easily disproved and would ruin their reputation.

    "They don't have a clue as to how many deaths could have been saved "
    They have better clue than you, dumbass

    "because they don't have any recommendations that are different than what we already did."
    But it would have mattered if those recommendations would have been implemented sooner. Better. Instead of how Trump stayed on covid info for weeks because he didn't want his approval to drop and politicians wanted to dump their stocks.
    It would have mattered if everybody did those recommendations instead of allowing republican retards to ignore some or all of them.
    It would have mattered if the orange baboon in the white house told this magahats to wear the damn masks.

    Many things would have mattered. Many things you ignore because you are dumb. For you, every complex problem is reduced to a few sentence because that's all you can manage with your limited intelligence. And then ofc you consider everyone else stupid for not solving the very simple issue you made up in your head.
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    11 Feb '21 14:13
    @zahlanzi said
    "Which shows that the doctors making these what-if predictions are just full of hot air. "
    oh you adjusted for population density, did you? With your years of working in the field.
    It always amuses me when idiots on the internet who probably flunked highschool biology say stuff like "... which proves that renowned experts with decades of experience in the field are just f ...[text shortened]... es regret now doing nothing and admit it was a mistake doesn't merit consideration, huh?

    Imbecile
    Swedes are largely supportive of their SARS2 policy.
    You are full of it.
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    @kewpie said
    Asinine? UK and Italy are doing worse than the US, but France and Germany and Canada are doing better, and Japan's doing WAY better at 52dpm. Do the math.
    Kewpie replied to Dood111

    'Do the math'.
    --Kewpie (to Dood111)

    Dood111 apparently 'thinks' 3 (his named countries) + 1 (USA) = 7 (as in G7).

    "the commission WEIGHTED the average death rate in the other G7 countries – Canada,
    France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the UK – and compared it to the US death rate."

    'Weighted' apparently refers to population. Japan's death rate counts more than Canada's.

    Country Population (in millions)
    1) Japan 126
    2) Germany 84
    3) UK 68
    4) France 65
    5) Italy 60
    6) Canada 38
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    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavirus-response-donald-trump-health-policy

    "US could have averted 40% of Covid deaths, says panel examining Trump's policies"

    "The US could have averted 40% of the deaths from Covid-19, had the
    country’s death rates corresponded with the rates in other high-income
    G7 countries, according to a Lancet commissio ...[text shortened]... ntries – Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the UK – and
    compared it to the US death rate."
    Leadership matters. Communication, coordination and cooperation. Trump was not able to succeed in any of those areas. No one trusted what Trump said would be accurate, he was saying things in public that directly contradicted the recommendations he was making to local governments, public health officials were competing against each other and the Federal Gov't for supplies, and governors/mayors etc couldn't get on the same page about guidelines/restrictions.

    what a disaster.
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    @wildgrass said
    Leadership matters. Communication, coordination and cooperation. Trump was not able to succeed in any of those areas. No one trusted what Trump said would be accurate, he was saying things in public that directly contradicted the recommendations he was making to local governments, public health officials were competing against each other and the Federal Gov't for supplies, ...[text shortened]... overnors/mayors etc couldn't get on the same page about guidelines/restrictions.

    what a disaster.
    "No one trusted what Trump said would be accurate ..."
    --Wildgrass

    A retired white American lawyer told me that he trusted what President Trump said
    about Covid-19 much more than what the scientists and doctors said about it.
    He said that Donald Trump's obviously a genius, a brilliant profound thinker, and
    clearly the most intelligent President in US history.

    To this day, this retired lawyer claims that Donald Trump has been about
    completely right in everything that he said about Covid-19.
    He said that President Trump was almost perfect in handling Covid-19 except
    that he should have imposed a travel ban on China earlier.

    For his general view of Covid-19, this retired lawyer claims that the 'fake media'
    has lied and vastly exaggerated infections and deaths. He believes that Covid-19
    really is not any more dangerous than influenza and that lockdowns are wrong.
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    12 Feb '21 00:50
    @dood111 said
    Those doctors are just engaging in the Let's Beat Up On Trump game.
    They don't have a clue as to how many deaths could have been saved because they don't have any recommendations that are different than what we already did.
    Rather than get involved with the quibbling about how the numbers were arrived at....
    I'll just go with the Optics.
    Trump put his re-election at the top of his priorities in the pandemic plan
    "the virus will disappear, as by a miracle".
    "Maybe we can inject the body with some of this stuff"
    "We should slow down the testing !!"
    Holding numerous rallies while creating super spreader events (to boost his re-election chances, of course)
    And on and on and on .........

    Nobody's beating up on Trump anymore. We'll let the courts deal with him.
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    What is the racial makeup of each of these rich nations?
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  15. Zugzwang
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    12 Feb '21 05:42
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/11/trump-coronavirus-ventilator-covid-illness

    "Trump's case of coronavirus was far worse than he admitted, report says"

    "Donald Trump was reportedly much more ill with Covid-19 in October than the
    White House publicly admitted at the time, with some officials concerned that he
    would need to be put on a ventilator.

    Trump experienced “extremely depressed blood oxygen levels” and a lung problem
    commonly associated with pneumonia caused by Covid-19, according to a report in
    the New York Times citing four people familiar with the former president’s condition."

    "The Times reports that officials found Trump’s prognosis so concerning before he was
    taken to the hospital that they were worried he would have to be put on a ventilator.
    Two people familiar with Trump’s condition told the paper the president had lung infiltrates, which
    can be a sign of severe illness in Covid-19 patients who are also exhibiting other symptoms.
    Trump’s blood oxygen levels were also reportedly a source of alarm as they fell into
    the 80s – far lower than the the low 90s that are considered a sign of a severe case."

    "Trump, who repeatedly undermined and downplayed the severity of the pandemic
    and its soaring death toll, at times suggested that his own recovery was proof
    that the virus was not as big a threat as public health officials made it out to be."
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