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  1. 29 Jul '16 15:56
    From the link below:

    Turkish Labor Minister Süleyman Soylu, a close Erdogan associate, blamed the United States during an interview Saturday with TV channel Haberturk.

    “America is behind the coup,” Soylu said, according to an English translation in the Hurriyet Daily News, a respected Turkish newspaper. The minister cited “magazines” as describing the U.S. connection to the coup but declined to specify which ones.


    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/18/turkey-blames-us-coup-attempt/87260612/

    Is it true? It is just like the CIA to do these things. For example, Operation Ajax, Operation Condor and possibly Egypt's Mubarak more recently.
  2. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    29 Jul '16 17:03 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    From the link below:

    Turkish Labor Minister Süleyman Soylu, a close Erdogan associate, blamed the United States during an interview Saturday with TV channel Haberturk.

    “America is behind the coup,” Soylu said, according to an English translation in the Hurriyet Daily News, a respected Turkish newspaper. The minister cited “magazines” as describing ...[text shortened]... hings. For example, Operation Ajax, Operation Condor and possibly Egypt's Mubarak more recently.
    He means the cleric living in the US is behind it, he lives near me in Pennsylvania. We had tea together

    Could be this:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36925723

    This general votel, (never heard of him) Notel Votel? Anyway, he said I think, putting down the coup will damage US/Turkey military relationship.
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 Jul '16 17:07 / 2 edits
    That article is comic gold.

    It starts with the allegations of a random 22 year old "sandwich shop worker."

    The "evidence" is the failure to extradite Fethullah Gulen, who has lived in the US since 1999 and against whom there is seemingly no evidence.

    Then my favorite quote:

    “America is behind the coup,” Soylu said, according to an English translation in the Hurriyet Daily News, a respected Turkish newspaper. The minister cited “magazines” as describing the U.S. connection to the coup but declined to specify which ones.


    Sounds like Sarah Palin's interview with Katie Couric.

    The article then ends with a quote from another geopolitical expert, Mehmet Demir, 43, a waiter at another restaurant near the Bosphorus.

    “America is messing with the entire world,” Demir said. “The coup is all because of (Gulen's followers) and America.”

    I'm still looking for the Onion in the url, but bizarrely, it does appear to have been published by USA Today.
  4. 06 Aug '16 14:40
    Originally posted by sh76
    That article is comic gold.

    It starts with the allegations of a random 22 year old "sandwich shop worker."

    The "evidence" is the failure to extradite Fethullah Gulen, who has lived in the US since 1999 and against whom there is seemingly no evidence.

    Then my favorite quote:

    [quote]“America is behind the coup,” Soylu said, according to an English tra ...[text shortened]... ing for the Onion in the url, but bizarrely, it does appear to have been published by USA Today.
    Your conformist tendencies are comic gold. You seem incapable of critical thinking.

    From the link below:
    U.S. residency visa. He's referring to the fact that one of the people who wrote letters supporting Gulen's greencard application is Graham Fuller, a former CIA official. Fuller has written that he wrote the letter as a private citizen and believes Gulen to be a force for moderation in the Islamic world.

    http://www.npr.org/2016/08/05/488793424/despite-washingtons-denials-many-turks-think-u-s-had-role-in-coup-attempt

    http://www.progressivepress.net/the-tale-of-uncle-tsarnaev-cia-chief-graham-fuller-and-a-turkish-islamist-who-lives-in-usa/

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-erdogan-gulen-idUSKCN10A0OI

    Gulen has said he would accept extradition to Turkey if the USA decides to do that, which indicates he is not worried it will happen. If you read the NPR transcript the Turks will be outraged if that turns out to be the case and these allegations will become even louder and angrier.

    How much do you want to bet Gulen will not be extradited and the Turks will be outraged?
  5. 06 Aug '16 15:46
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    Your conformist tendencies are comic gold. You seem incapable of critical thinking.
    "Critical thinking" is not the same as randomly picking some propositions and assuming the opposite is true.
  6. 11 Aug '16 18:55
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    "Critical thinking" is not the same as randomly picking some propositions and assuming the opposite is true.
    You didn't read the links. Do that before assuming.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/world/europe/turkey-coup-erdogan-fethullah-gulen-united-states.html?_r=0

    http://www.progressivepress.net/the-tale-of-uncle-tsarnaev-cia-chief-graham-fuller-and-a-turkish-islamist-who-lives-in-usa/