Originally posted by EsotericSo many youth of today are out for the free ride.😞 Give me free dental and health and pay for most of my education, send me to places I may have never seen me before, BUT I DON"T WANT TO GO TO WAR!!!! Well sorry guy thats not the way it works.You are held accountable for your actions when you are employed by the armed forces and if your actions are unbecoming of a officer it's bye bye to mr. blabbermouth.
What happened to freedom of speech?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6723521.stm
Originally posted by Esoteric"...Marine Corporal Adam Kokesh was accused of misconduct. The military bans the unauthorized wearing of uniforms."
What happened to freedom of speech?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6723521.stm
Moreover, since he's part of the U.S. military, he does not enjoy the same rights as civilians...at least not until he resigns or is discharged.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYou should read the article again. He was already discharged, and the terms of his discharge are being threatened. Basically, his honorable discharge will be revoked.
"...Marine Corporal Adam Kokesh was accused of misconduct. The military bans the unauthorized wearing of uniforms."
Moreover, since he's part of the U.S. military, he does not enjoy the same rights as civilians...at least not until he resigns or is discharged.
Originally posted by joneschrAlthough I'm unfamiliar with the Individual Ready Reserve, it sounds like he was still under contract with the military. Since the military has it's own courts and lawyers, don't you think they're better qualified to handle one of their own?
You should read the article again. He was already discharged, and the terms of his discharge are being threatened. Basically, his honorable discharge will be revoked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh#Marine_Corps_hearing
"Marine Corps hearing
Kokesh and other IVAW members wore elements of their Marine Corps Combat Utility Uniforms to a protest marking the fourth anniversary of the Iraq War in March. Kokesh and several other IVAW members were contacted by the Marine Corps and warned of possible disciplinary action for violating military uniform policies by wearing their uniforms to a political demonstration.[4] Kokesh felt that they were being subjected to selective prosecution because of their war protest activities, and replied with a defiant letter (ending it with "[I] ... ask you to please, kindly, go @@@@ yourself."😉.[5][2] In May of 2007, a hearing was convened to consider changing Kokesh's military discharge from "honorable" to "other than honorable" on two points: "Disrespect toward a Superior Commissioned Officer", and violating "Wearing of the uniform" regulation.[6][7]
Although Kokesh is still part of the Individual Ready Reserve until June 18, 2007,[2], Kokesh's attorney claims that the Marine Corps is attempting to stifle Kokesh's constitutional right to free speech.[8] If his discharge had been changed to "other than honorable," Kokesh would have lost access to certain veteran's health care services and been forced to pay back over $10,000 in educational benefits he received. Kokesh maintains he did not violate the Marine Corps uniform policy because all name tags, badges, and military insignia had been removed. [8]
On June 4, 2007, the panel recommended Kokesh be given a general discharge under honorable conditions, a discharge status below honorable. Kokesh plans to appeal the decision.[9]
[edit] The VFW supports Kokesh
The national commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars has defended the right of Kokesh and others who have been given honorable discharges to protest in uniform.[10]
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI have a funny feeling he wasn't punished for the uniform.
"...Marine Corporal Adam Kokesh was accused of misconduct. The military bans the unauthorized wearing of uniforms."
Moreover, since he's part of the U.S. military, he does not enjoy the same rights as civilians...at least not until he resigns or is discharged.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungAnyone can by army fatigues in a surplus store. The fact that the dude had removed all insignia and rank and so forth would put him in the same class of people as John Lennon who wore army fatigue outfits as a protest. What uniform? In order for it to be a real uniform, I would think it would have to include all the paraphenalia of rank and such. Without that, why is it a uniform? Especially since you can get them at any army/navy surplus store.
Whatever the underlying motives the people involved may have had, that was indeed why he was punished.
It seems to me he has a valid argument he was out of uniform.
Also, I think it quite likely he would have been harrassed even if he was wearing a bathing suit. I think the uniform deal was just a rational.