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  1. 04 Aug '17 20:41
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/04/us-surgeon-may-be-forced-to-quit-uk-because-of-visa-nightmare

    "US surgeon may be forced to quit UK because of visa nightmare:
    Patrick Thies, his British wife and their three children are living apart
    because of ‘absolutely extraordinary’ Home Office decisions."

    "An NHS specialist, his British wife and their three young children have
    been stranded on opposite sides of the Atlantic because Britain won’t
    let the couple’s two adopted children into the UK.

    Patrick Thies, an American orthopaedic surgeon, may now have to give up his
    job in Birmingham and return to the US despite the NHS spending £20,000
    and nine months recruiting him, after failing to find a suitable candidate in the UK.

    After accepting the job in January 2017, Thies agreed to move from
    Oregon to Britain with his British wife, their biological child, Philip, nine,
    and two adopted children, Benjamin and Edward, aged 10 and 12.

    Gillian, a chemist who gave up her job to look after the children, was
    uncertain about how to obtain permanent visas for her adopted children.
    She sought advice from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in America,
    which, she said, told her that because she wasn’t born in Britain, she
    couldn’t bring her adopted children into the country with permanent visas."

    "But when the family arrived at Heathrow in March 2016, the adopted children,
    Benjamin and Edward, were denied entry because they were carrying
    visit visas yet clearly intended to remain in the country. The family were
    detained in the airport, the boys’ passports were confiscated and they
    were issued one-way tickets back to New York, leaving three days later."

    "The family found a lawyer who got the children released from detention
    at the airport and secured them temporary leave to remain.
    The family were then advised by the lawyer to apply for the boys to be
    registered as tier 2 skilled worker dependent children based on their
    father’s employment contract. The Home Office accepted the application form
    – and the £1,800 fee – only to turn the application down a few weeks
    later because, they said, the form couldn’t be submitted from inside the UK."

    "“And the Home Office’s letter was also astonishing and, frankly, unlawful,
    because it stated that while it was not their intention to separate the children
    from the rest of their family, one of the grounds for refusal was that one
    of the parents could return to the States with the boys and stay in touch
    with the rest of the family through email and Skype.""

    "Andrew Pearson, the executive medical director at the Royal Orthopaedic
    hospital in Birmingham, who hired Patrick Thies, said he was “very frustrated
    and incredibly disappointed” by the Home Office’s refusal to grant the visas.
    We were unable to recruit anyone to do Patrick’s job from within the UK, so if
    he can’t stay, we’ll have to use locums – which will cost us at least two times more.”"

    If I were in Dr Thies's position, I would tell the Home Office 'to get lost'
    and that the NHS does not deserve to take advantage of my abilities.
  2. 04 Aug '17 21:50
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/04/us-surgeon-may-be-forced-to-quit-uk-because-of-visa-nightmare

    "US surgeon may be forced to quit UK because of visa nightmare:
    Patrick Thies, his British wife and their three children are living apart
    because of ‘absolutely extraordinary’ Home Office decisions."

    "An NHS specialist, his British wife a ...[text shortened]... Home Office 'to get lost'
    and that the NHS does not deserve to take advantage of my abilities.
    And your point is?
  3. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    05 Aug '17 00:46
    Originally posted by @kquinn909
    And your point is?
    And your point is?


    Duchess often has no point. It's part of her charm!
  4. 05 Aug '17 00:48
    Originally posted by @mchill to Kquinn909
    And your point is?

    Duchess often has no point. It's part of her charm!
    Some obtuse trolls may not feel my 'point' until they notice that they are bleeding.
  5. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    05 Aug '17 00:59
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Some obtuse trolls may not feel my 'point' until they notice that they are bleeding.
    We love you too Duchess!
  6. 05 Aug '17 04:27
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Some obtuse trolls may not feel my 'point' until they notice that they are bleeding.
    That a threat? My point is a hollowpoint. And you'll bleedout quickly. See you on tuesday.
  7. 05 Aug '17 05:03
    Originally posted by @kquinn909
    And your point is?
    The point is to make the point, thus bringing to the attention of others that which they may not otherwise have been aware of, thus perhaps opening the matter for discussion, which is rather the point of the 'debates' forum.
  8. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    05 Aug '17 09:00 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @kquinn909
    And your point is?
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/05/brexit-uk-food-industry-eu-fruit-veg-pickers

    Falling pound makes our wages less attractive to migrants.

    Conditions in Europe have picked up significantly and workers are less driven to accept low wages and disgusting treatment from English bullies.

    Overt racism and xenophobia makes people more reluctant to come here.

    Apart from the daily racist abuse from idiot Kippers and their ilk, racism and harassment is now official practice. Theresa May in her many years at the Home Office has turned the process of obtaining visas into an offensive and expensive nightmare - the fee of £1,800 being just one aspect of the process which operates to humiliate and frustrate decent people going about their lives. When you explore examples of the way migrants are treated, you appreciate what the rcent election showed - May is not human, she's a nightmare robot willing to make vicious decisions every day as long as they benefit her political agenda. The Tories have no humanity.

    Many industries can just shift operations abroad. For example, England was never an ideal country for growing fruit, though polytunnels have been great with 99% of labour being European migrants. That's coming to a screeching halt.

    When this insane country decides to try a u-turn it may be a bit late. It will take a great deal to restore the UK's reputation as a destination attractive to migrant workers.

    Then maybe the patriots will understand that having your brain surgery done by a lager lout Kipper is not the best way to go.

    Of course as the economy falters, the people leaving (or not coming to) the UK will be the young, the mobile, the talented, the ones with marketable qualities. The people left will as always be the less able, the less advantaged, the less mobile: the Kippers, really, and all the impoverished groups they dislike so intensely.
  9. 05 Aug '17 11:45 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/05/brexit-uk-food-industry-eu-fruit-veg-pickers

    Falling pound makes our wages less attractive to migrants.

    Conditions in Europe have picked up significantly and workers are less driven to accept low wages and disgusting treatment from English bullies.

    Overt racism and xenophobia makes people mor ...[text shortened]... the less mobile: the Kippers, really, and all the impoverished groups they dislike so intensely.
    The " leave " vote hasn't gone down very well with you has it .
    Suddenly, the UK is full of racist ,xenophobic English bullies .
    What happened to the mass unemployment and major disasters promised by the Eurohuggers ?
    Still hoping are you ?
    I noticed BMW have opted to build their electric cars in the UK , have a quite word with one of their directors and ask him/her why ?
    The falling pound works both ways .
  10. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    05 Aug '17 16:09 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @phil3000
    The " leave " vote hasn't gone down very well with you has it .
    Suddenly, the UK is full of racist ,xenophobic English bullies .
    What happened to the mass unemployment and major disasters promised by the Eurohuggers ?
    Still hoping are you ?
    I noticed BMW have opted to build their electric cars in the UK , have a quite word with one of their directors and ask him/her why ?
    The falling pound works both ways .
    Things are changing. It is naive to expect an overnight transformation. Instead look at the trends.

    The leave vote is not a problem for me. I can see ways to approach Brexit that might be effective. The UK has never been a constructive partner in the EU.

    The conduct of the referendum campaign was a problem. The dishonest and hidden agendas driving Brexit bother me. The approach to Brexit taken by the Tories bothers me (it bothers a lot of Tories). The refusal to debate evidence in adult terms bothers me. The ignorance of people like yourself bothers me.

    I do not concede that the referendum was a green light to a fascist state. What bothered me most in D64's post was another example of something British people seem quite relaxed about, which is the introduction of the worst style of police state at the expense of migrants. The insulting suggestion that a family can stay together by means of skype is repeated in a lot of cases and evidently part of official policy. The adbuction of people without warning and often at night, their detention without trial and without access to legal representation, holding children and families for extended periods of time in utterly disgraceful detention centres, their deportation often to places where they will be in danger, the breaking up of families and lives, the use of physical violence to enforce compliance, the assignemnt of much of this filthy degrading work to private security firms, all this is seemingly not significant if it is applied to migrants, for whom any appeal to human rights is just a nuisance in the way of efficient police work.

    You need to learn to think through the reality of those policies you support.
  11. 05 Aug '17 18:00 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by @indonesia-phil to Kquinn909
    The point is to make the point, thus bringing to the attention of others that which they may not otherwise have been aware of,
    thus perhaps opening the matter for discussion, which is rather the point of the 'debates' forum.
    Obviously--except to the obtuse trolls (Kquinn909, Mchill)--the subject proposed for debate
    is the fairness of the Home Office's treatment of this American doctor and his family.
    I believe that the Home Office should have been more accepting of his adopted children.

    The troll Mchill has a record of claiming (though not in this thread) that when I create a thread,
    he--and everyone else--already know everything about it, so it's wrong for me to create it.
    In fact, it's clear that Mchill often shamelessly lies in attempting to conceal his own ignorance.