Originally posted by SMSBear716The problem is murder and robbery, not drug use.
Your withdrawing money from a ATM at 9 at night, a teenage heroin addict walks up behind you , puts a gun to your head and makes you withdraw money . He/she decides to keep you from testifying against him its better to put a bullet in your brain. Victimless?
Now there are those that would argue that the examples I mentioned would NEVER happen. Even if ...[text shortened]... a job to make the money to buy the drugs they needed even then. Their recourse? Turn to crime.
What if the person was drunk? Mentally ill? Should we outlaw alcohol and mental illness?
Originally posted by SMSBear716I don't have a problem with that.
I'm in favor of legalising drugs as well, however, people couldn't deal with the amount of personal responsibility they'd have to handle if their 'victimless crime' caused someone else to be a victim of their actions.
In other words, your on drugs and injure, kill , rob another individual or damage their property, the penalty would be swift and severe. Leniency would not play a factor.
Originally posted by kfennessyIt's none of your business what my intentions are.
I don't see why certain drugs should not be legalized. For example, marijuana is used as a relaxant for Rastafarian's. In prescribed doses it is not lethal in the least, but relaxing, rather. In the constitution we are allowed freedom of religion, and many Rastafarian religious practices involve marijuana. How can you possibly have some drugs in this case, ...[text shortened]... h foul intentions and those who do have good intentions? This is another battle entirely....
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI did not in any way, shape, or form ask what your intentions are. I was merely trying to say that legalizing certain things can lead to dangerous, one-size fits all legalization. There would be no way to allow some people the use of these substances and others not. This is another problem that is posed while legalizing certain things.
It's none of your business what my intentions are.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungAbout prostitution though, I agree with you completely. I see your point in how there is no way that prostitution itself directly creates victims. If some women are desperate enough to sell their bodies, and some men are desperate enough to partake in prostitution, that should be their choice entirely. The government should not have any decision in the sexual desires of both the prostitutes and the men partaking in them.
That's kidnapping, sexual slavery and statutory rape. The problem isn't prostitution.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungMurder and robbery caused by?? And we are discussing illegal drugs here so don't shift the topic. Somebody said it was a victimless crime, my point is that its not always victimless.....
The problem is murder and robbery, not drug use.
What if the person was drunk? Mentally ill? Should we outlaw alcohol and mental illness?
Just cause you have never mugged anyone for money for some weed, doesn't mean nobody ever has
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Originally posted by SMSBear716I don't know what those murders and robberies were caused by and neither do you. Lots of druggies don't do those things so there's no way to say with certainty that the drugs caused anything.
Murder and robbery caused by?? And we are discussing illegal drugs here so don't shift the topic. Somebody said it was a victimless crime, my point is that its not always victimless.....
Just cause you have never mugged anyone for money for some weed, doesn't mean nobody ever has
People mug people for shoes too. That doesn't mean shoes should be illegal. You're being ridiculous. We do not use thought police. This is not the Oceania described in 1984.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungYou have a very good point that people get robbed for other stupidness besides for money. That leaves no room for determining what actually caused the robbery.
I don't know what those murders and robberies were caused by and neither do you. Lots of druggies don't do those things so there's no way to say with certainty that the drugs caused anything.
People mug people for shoes too. That doesn't mean shoes should be illegal. You're being ridiculous. We do not use thought police. This is not the Oceania described in 1984.
Originally posted by SMSBear716Fortunately, you are carrying a syringe of heroin in a 'lucky junk wallet' designed for the purpose; you smile at his ecstatic grin as you hand over the contents, cautioning him to wait until he gets to a place of safety before he shoots up.
Your withdrawing money from a ATM at 9 at night, a teenage heroin addict walks up behind you , puts a gun to your head and makes you withdraw money .
Elsewhere, other members of the 'Free Junk Armada' are similarly playing the guardian angel to lost, needy junkies. Unheralded, unthanked, these anti-vigilantes are reducing crime levels and shining a ray of hope into otherwise tarnished hopeless lives.
Originally posted by SMSBear716firstly I've been mugged at syringe point by a heroin addict before its not fun. although he very nicely gave me back my wallet with my cards etc and some change for the bus.... It was an odd experience. ATY have you stopped to consider where the money you buy weed with goes?. I know I have to try really hard (usually by actually knowing exactly where the weed comes from) at home so as not to buy weed from sources which can be connected to the IRA, UDA etc etc. Or to various other criminal elements. And that's just weed, never mind anything harder. I know if you legalise the drug you reduce this problem but still it's worth throwing out there.
Murder and robbery caused by?? And we are discussing illegal drugs here so don't shift the topic. Somebody said it was a victimless crime, my point is that its not always victimless.....
Just cause you have never mugged anyone for money for some weed, doesn't mean nobody ever has