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    19 Apr '14 20:12
    Originally posted by finnegan
    America might like to try another version of democracy.

    For a start, it might like to reverse the Supreme Court decisions that grant inappropriate rights and privileges to corporations and that permit unlimited financial manipulation in politics.

    But even if all that were a fantasy, it would be a fine thing if ordinary Americans abandoned their ideological blinkers.
    You are making a point I only hinted at. It would take a makeover of the psychology of large numbers of Americans to bring about a change in the power structure. The existing power structure has no interest in that. If anything, the trend is toward less education, less inquisitiveness, less rationalism, less citizen involvement in civic affairs, etc. We'd need a blockbuster Snowden event to stir that up.
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    19 Apr '14 21:231 edit
    Originally posted by JS357
    You are making a point I only hinted at. It would take a makeover of the psychology of large numbers of Americans to bring about a change in the power structure. The existing power structure has no interest in that. If anything, the trend is toward less education, less inquisitiveness, less rationalism, less citizen involvement in civic affairs, etc. We'd need a blockbuster Snowden event to stir that up.
    The English education system was similarly hamstrung by the process starting in 1988 under Thatcher with an Education Reform Act. The education minister of the time has written that he was surprised to get away with his vicious attack on the teaching profession. That has subsequently been built on to achieve an education system in which for example there is virtually no preparation to understand politics.

    If we have reason to hope, it may be in the power of new media to spark off different thinking. However that can cut every way including promoting weird faery dust.
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    19 Apr '14 23:28
    Originally posted by finnegan
    The English education system was similarly hamstrung by the process starting in 1988 under Thatcher with an Education Reform Act. The education minister of the time has written that he was surprised to get away with his vicious attack on the teaching profession. That has subsequently been built on to achieve an education system in which for example there is ...[text shortened]... rk off different thinking. However that can cut every way including promoting weird faery dust.
    Are the students in England still allowed to cuss out their teachers only once a day?
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    20 Apr '14 00:42
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    thats exactly what I am saying.
    Lies!!

    Just so you know, I've e-mailed the White House and alerted Obama about what you are saying about him. 😠
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    20 Apr '14 19:343 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    Lies!!

    Just so you know, I've e-mailed the White House and alerted Obama about what you are saying about him. 😠
    the gigs over, out ya go, you are powerless to effect any change! its time to face the facts whoders, new boss same as the old boss! you were better off under the tyranny of the British! America is a failed state.
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    20 Apr '14 20:13
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    the gigs over, out ya go, you are powerless to effect any change! its time to face the facts whoders, new boss same as the old boss! you were better off under the tyranny of the British! America is a failed state.
    Exactly. Looks like it is about time for another Revolution.
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    20 Apr '14 20:24
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Exactly. Looks like it is about time for another Revolution.
    why what makes you think this one will achieve any more than the last one?
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    20 Apr '14 20:26
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    why what makes you think this one will achieve any more than the last one?
    Over time things change. Yes, even if we had a successful revolution that will only be a temporary victory. Every so often evil will take over and need to be replaced. It is the nature of things and is why it is called a revolution.
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    20 Apr '14 20:31
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    why what makes you think this one will achieve any more than the last one?
    Can't you see? It'll usher in a libertarian utopia.
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    20 Apr '14 20:321 edit
    Originally posted by JS357
    Can't you see? It'll usher in a libertarian utopia.
    I see, how vewy vewy awesome! I am a bit of a Luddite myself but have no problem with libertarians or librarians or Agrarians!
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    20 Apr '14 20:39
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Over time things change. Yes, even if we had a successful revolution that will only be a temporary victory. Every so often evil will take over and need to be replaced. It is the nature of things and is why it is called a revolution.
    every so often, like when the opposition is in power?
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    20 Apr '14 20:55
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Exactly. Looks like it is about time for another Revolution.
    Absolutely. An army of angry, obese, old men with hunting rifles against the US army. I'd love to see that!
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    21 Apr '14 15:19
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Absolutely. An army of angry, obese, old men with hunting rifles against the US army. I'd love to see that!
    The US army is sworn to uphold the Constitution. This is why Obama needs his other army. It is quite likely the US army will join the old men.
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    21 Apr '14 15:20
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    every so often, like when the opposition is in power?
    The opposition is always in power. We get to choose between two establishment candidates. Either way, we lose.
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