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  1. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    08 Jan '10 13:05
    In an another thread FMF cites a number for the casualties in the Vietnam War (which I think is an understatement) but just for the fun of it I did a google search on that topic:

    http://www.google.pt/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=pt-PT&source=hp&q=people+died+vietnam+war&meta=&btnG=Pesquisa+do+Google

    When I looked into the first hit I almost fell out of my chair: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_died_in_the_Vietnam_War
    The people of South Vietnam didn't even got a mention! South Vietnam was heavily bombed by US troops (South Vietnam and Cambodia were more heavily bombed than all countries combined during WWII- yep and that is counting with Hiroshima and Nagasaki ) and the people that lived there were just miraculously untouched I guess.

  2. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    08 Jan '10 13:07
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    In an another thread FMF cites a number for the casualties in the Vietnam War (which I think is an understatement) but just for the fun of it I did a google search on that topic:

    http://www.google.pt/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=pt-PT&source=hp&q=people+died+vietnam+war&meta=&btnG=Pesquisa+do+Google

    When ...[text shortened]... and Nagasaki ) and the people that lived there were just miraculously untouched I guess.

    Uh...I think that was NORTH Vietnam that was bombed by the US, not the South.
  3. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    08 Jan '10 13:09
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Uh...I think that was NORTH Vietnam that was bombed by the US, not the South.
    Well I happen to know that South Vietnam was more heavily bombed. Not just South Vietnam, but Cambodia and Laos (that were neutral countries by the way).
  4. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    08 Jan '10 13:11
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Well I happen to know that South Vietnam was more heavily bombed. Not just South Vietnam, but Cambodia and Laos (that were neutral countries by the way).
    You're an idiot.
  5. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    08 Jan '10 13:12
    Originally posted by rwingett
    You're an idiot.
    Why?
  6. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    08 Jan '10 13:14
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Why?
    The US bombed NORTH Vietnam, not South Vietnam. Look it up.
  7. Subscriber Proper Knob
    Cornovii
    08 Jan '10 13:18
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Well I happen to know that South Vietnam was more heavily bombed. Not just South Vietnam, but Cambodia and Laos (that were neutral countries by the way).
    Laos is the most heavily bombed country in the world. More bombs have fallen on Laos than all the ordnance dropped on Europe during WWII.
  8. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    08 Jan '10 13:23
    Originally posted by rwingett
    The US bombed NORTH Vietnam, not South Vietnam. Look it up.
    I have. The USA also bombed South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osKkRmLIldE&feature=player_embedded
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbicidal_Warfare#Vietnam_War
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange#Use_in_the_Vietnam_War
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_Dust
    http://www.vn-agentorange.org/edmaterials/giaodiem_book.html

    After this defoliant operation the Bombing began. Look it up yourself.
  9. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    08 Jan '10 13:25
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    Laos is the most heavily bombed country in the world. More bombs have fallen on Laos than all the ordnance dropped on Europe during WWII.
    I think that the proper way to say it is that was called Indochina is the most heavily bombed country in the world. But the most part of it fell on Cambodia and SV, isn't it?
  10. Subscriber Proper Knob
    Cornovii
    08 Jan '10 13:26
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    I think that the proper way to say it is that was called Indochina is the most heavily bombed country in the world. But the most part of it fell on Cambodia and SV, isn't it?
    Nope.

    Laos is the most bombed, in terms of tonnage, country in the world.
  11. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    08 Jan '10 13:28 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    Nope.

    Laos is the most bombed, in terms of tonnage, country in the world.
    In terms of tonnage, or in terms of tonnage per area?

    http://www.planetranger.com/site/php/jnl_browse.php?uid=1777&jid=21985&expand=x2007-01x
  12. Subscriber Proper Knob
    Cornovii
    08 Jan '10 13:32
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    In terms of tonnage, or in terms of tonnage per area?

    http://www.planetranger.com/site/php/jnl_browse.php?uid=1777&jid=21985&expand=x2007-01x
    Tonnage.

    Google it.
  13. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    08 Jan '10 13:33
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    Tonnage.

    Google it.
    Already googled it and came with a different answer in the link I provided.
  14. Subscriber Proper Knob
    Cornovii
    08 Jan '10 13:38
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Already googled it and came with a different answer in the link I provided.
    The guy is incorrect.

    7,000,000 tons is the total for the whole war, not just what was droped on Vietnam as he is suggesting.
  15. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    08 Jan '10 13:52 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    The guy is incorrect.

    7,000,000 tons is the total for the whole war, not just what was droped on Vietnam as he is suggesting.
    7000000-2000000= 5000000

    And most of the 5000000 fell on South Vietnam and Cambodia, right?

    Edit: from the youtube link I provided "The still-incomplete database (it has several "dark" periods) reveals that from October 4, 1965, to August 15, 1973, the United States dropped far more ordnance on Cambodia than was previously believed: 2,756,941 tons' worth, dropped in 230,516 sorties on 113,716 sites."

    2000000 plus tons in Cambodia alone.